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Also, it seems like the Jack Helper is the best to go to raise the rear of the car and lower it onto ramps. Is that correct?
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Rather than raise the car at point A, raise it at the rear with the Jack Helper then lower onto ramps.
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After reviewing this thread and consulting with my son (another Elise owner) and the Q-Ball thread on this site, I finally felt confident enough to get the Elise up on my 2-post lift. My anxiety was finding the exact location of the 'C' lift points. I'm happy to report I had no issues at all. I'm posting these pictures to help those of you who also have a two-post lift, or perhaps to print to review with your mechanic for piece of mind.

The second-to-last picture provides a good perspective of the 'I-beam' on the topside of the gas tank shear panel that provides the actual support.

Now on to the brake pad swap...
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Heres a simple guide to the lift points on the Elise & Exige:

Locating the Correct Lift Points on a Lotus Elise | HowTune.com

We just finished installing new shocks, bushings, and balljoints on my car last weekend. So I thought I'd put together a concise guide for lifting a lotus. I've done a clutch swap, suspension refresh, tire changes, brake replacements, clam removal without any issues so far.

If it looks familiar it's actually done on HocusLotus's lift (having a dad with a garage is a good thing).
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Could i make up a jack helper by using a good grade rectangular steel section that was the right length and use rubber pieces to go over the diffuser bolts?


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Could i make up a jack helper by using a good grade rectangular steel section that was the right length and use rubber pieces to go over the diffuser bolts?
The Jack Helper has 2 tubes that have an angled cut on them. This allows the jack to sit horizontally while the tubes support the angled underside of the car.

I'll tell you right now, even with the Jack Helper it's scary jacking up the car. There's a lot of weight resting on the side of those bolt heads and the Jack Helper is not bolted to your jack so it wouldn't take too much to shove the car off the jack. I personally wouldn't Micky Mouse anything.
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How am I supposed to pay my kids tuition if folks make there own jack helper ?

I agree with LTD , you need to pay attention when jacking up a car. I make sure my jack can move / roll if it needs too.

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How am I supposed to pay my kids tuition if folks make there own jack helper ?

I agree with LTD , you need to pay attention when jacking up a car. I make sure my jack can move / roll if it needs too.
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Being in Oz and a bit on the poor side at the moment i just had to give it a go myself - sorry! A struggle is good for kids anyway isn't it?

I thought it worked well and it didn't feel unsafe at any time. The rubber pads i've used seem to grip well too and take the diffuser angle quite well.

Have to say it's a great idea and I would recommend Jim's Helper to anyone.

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Hi Jim

Being in Oz and a bit on the poor side at the moment i just had to give it a go myself - sorry! A struggle is good for kids anyway isn't it?

I thought it worked well and it didn't feel unsafe at any time. The rubber pads i've used seem to grip well too and take the diffuser angle quite well.

Have to say it's a great idea and I would recommend Jim's Helper to anyone.

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Sounds good. I'm all for DIY . Happy lifting !

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youtube video on lifting

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Hi Jim

Being in Oz and a bit on the poor side at the moment i just had to give it a go myself - sorry! A struggle is good for kids anyway isn't it?

I thought it worked well and it didn't feel unsafe at any time. The rubber pads i've used seem to grip well too and take the diffuser angle quite well.

Have to say it's a great idea and I would recommend Jim's Helper to anyone.

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I have a jack helper and use it, but it's really not that hard to take off the diffuser and set the jack directly on the frame to raise it. It's about 5 minutes of extra work. If I need to put the rear in the air, having access to the rear frame also provides good resting points for jack stands (Point D).

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Wayne #1 - a factory scissor jack like you use is not for supporting a car while you lay underneath it. It is to change a tire.
#2 - This car was supported exactly like you supported yours. Caption should say "Oh... balance the tires? I thought you said balance the car"
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OK, silly newbie question

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I thought I knew how to safely raise and support many different cars, but this thread is causing some self doubt.

I just ordered the jack helper after watching this video. I need new rear tires, and I've decided I don't trust any of my usual shops to lift this car.

Can I safely chock the front wheels, raise the rear and place stands under the helper as shown here to take the rears in for tire mounting? It seems like I can skip removing diffuser and undertray this way. I have ultra low floor jack from racing days.

I'm asking only from the standpoint of car damage. I know all the other safety rules. I won't be working under the car otherwise.

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DO NOT Chock the front wheels when using the Jack Helper. Since the Jack Helper locates on the the two bolts and there is some horizontal movement due to the arc path of the jack you might run the risk of dislodging the jack helper from the jack arm.

Edit: Actually, can someone fact check this for me. I think the casters on the jack should be safe enough to roll for that change but I have heard mixed things. Just be careful.

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Interesting conundrum though.

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DO NOT Chock the front wheels when using the Jack Helper. Since the Jack Helper locates on the the two bolts and there is some horizontal movement due to the arc path of the jack you might run the risk of dislodging the jack helper from the jack arm.

Edit: Actually, can someone fact check this for me. I think the casters on the jack should be safe enough to roll for that change but I have heard mixed things. Just be careful.
OK. Important safety tip. Good to know.

Won't the car tend to roll backwards with rear in the air and nothing blocking fronts?

I saw the earlier posts about securing the jack helper to the jack, so I'll follow that tip, as well.

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OK. Important safety tip. Good to know.

Won't the car tend to roll backwards with rear in the air and nothing blocking fronts?

I saw the earlier posts about securing the jack helper to the jack, so I'll follow that tip, as well.

Thanks.
As long as the car is on level ground (which it should be if you're lifting it), there will be very little movement. It's definitely not going to try to run away from you.

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As long as the car is on level ground (which it should be if you're lifting it), there will be very little movement. It's definitely not going to try to run away from you.
If its in a garage it may not be, many garage floors are graded so that water drains out. Maybe doesn't matter but thought I'd throw that out. I would definitely chock the fronts myself, the jack should be positioned so that it will roll in the proper direction.

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If its in a garage it may not be, many garage floors are graded so that water drains out. Maybe doesn't matter but thought I'd throw that out. I would definitely chock the fronts myself, the jack should be positioned so that it will roll in the proper direction.
Now that I think about it, when I used the helper the front of my car was already on stands, so it was effectively 'chocked'

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Does anyone on this forum own an Omega 29023B Low Profile Service Jack?

I would like to know the distance from the saddle centerline to the closest face of the handle base when the handle is in the fully upright position. In other words, how much clear reach does the jack have without having to drop the handle?

I can't find that dimension on-line and Shinn Fu Technical Support is playing dumb.

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Is there a way to get JUST the front half of the car up on jackstands? I'm going to be installing V2 steering arms and really just need access to the front suspension, but I can't figure a way to do it without putting the whole car up.

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I am jacking the front of the Elise using my floor jack, a 38" length of rectangular steel tubing, and two hockey pucks. I run the car up on a couple of mitered 2x6s per side so that the floor jack will slide under the front of the car. The rectangular tube spans between the B-points with the hockey pucks between the steel and the chassis. The jack runs down the center of the car to the midpoint of the steel tube.
Once the car is in the air, I use two flat top jack stands under the ends of the steel tubing.
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