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Apple defies FBI

Read Apple?s unprecedented letter to customers about security | The Verge

I sure like the idealism that Cook is expounding. This country stands against tyranny. History past and very present shows us that government can rarely be trusted, will take what you have if they want.

So what do you think?

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Governments, Kings, Queens, Emperors, Czars, and any form of power that rules over the people always leads to tyranny against its people. We're not quite there for a revolution to happen but this is just another overstep of the Federal Government. It sounds crazy and almost conspiratorial but history says otherwise.

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I like the letter.

They shouldn't have let this trash (that fugly tranny and the "husband") into our country in the first place.

It's a conspiracy to go after Apple to force them to create the "back door." I guess anything is possible with this administration. They knew these assh*les and what they were going to do and that they were using iPhones. What a great excuse to force Apple, right? lol

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I agree with Apple on this, 100%.
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The FBI just needs to hand the phone over to the Chinese government, they would unlock it in under 30 minutes.
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I agree with Apple on this, 100%.
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I like the letter.

They shouldn't have let this trash (that fugly tranny and the "husband") into our country in the first place.

It's a conspiracy to go after Apple to force them to create the "back door." I guess anything is possible with this administration. They knew these assh*les and what they were going to do and that they were using iPhones. What a great excuse to force Apple, right? lol
It was the previous admin that decided to spy on US citizens.

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Is it true that it's the guy's employer who actually owns the phone and who has given permission to get into it? That's what NPR says.

Also, the guy is sort of dead.

Is the issue that there would then be a tool to get into anyone's phone?

Is there a subpoena for this info?

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Eff.. Apple, this is an active investigation on a terrorism related mass murder of 14 people and 22 serious injuries. Digital forensic evidence from the cell phone is of tremendous evidentiary value and can reveal further leads, plots, and other terrorist cells...etc. Apple can do this...but Apple is a selfish, greedy, liberal, rightous corporate prick with zero sense of justice and utilitarian compassion.

What if one of those San Bernardino 14 victims were you or your family member/loved one, and the digital forensic evidence can help solve the case and prevent future attacks. People too quick to forget about the victims, anyone of us can be the next one. Freaking wake up people.

Standby, boys, more terrorist attacks are coming....this is just a beginning. We all better get out heads out from out selfish @sses and deal with this and work together, both private and public sectors..... We are raising/becoming a generation of me-me-me sheep's.

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so, there are no limits on government snooping?

if the government orders me I must spend man years of time developing a product that may or may not produce any results?

If the government needed to get into a house they should get the alarm codes for every house in the country?

This foolishness of anything for antiterrorism is just that

Giving up our privacy and freedom is exactly what terrorists want

Show me a single example where any intrusive government policy/law has not been overextended
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That SOB and his wife killed/murdered innocent people. Terrorists/criminals have no rights specially dead ones. FBI needs the raw data and Apple should just cough it up! No one cares how they do it.

Look at these faces. That could have been any of us!


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I really don't understand. I have talked to the FBI geeks, they are quite clever. If I can crack it, they certainly could. I think some of the concern, is in the demand to make a permanent back door, which could be exploited by "undesirable actors". You can decide whether undesirable actors are hackers after private information on the phone, or the Government potentially over-reaching.

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38000 people were killed in/by cars last year

does not justify every possible invasion of every persons privacy to solve it

again, this is not simply asking for information which they are refusing, this is asking them to do work which the gov't is incapable of, which would then render their product less secure

less secure against hackers

some of whom are terrorists
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Actually Exigegus, many ECUs which are currently produced Record what you were doing (Throttle position, brake pressure, steering inputs) for 30 (or more) seconds prior to air bag deployment (in a loop/ring buffer). This buffer has been presented as evidence in many accident cases already.

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yes, this is true

38000, vs 2 a year[average number of Americans killed in terrorist attacks post 9/11]

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I will say it surprises me that when you can take a device apart and have all the time in the world, you cannot get data out of it

You average 10 year old can get info of a PC hard drive
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I will say it surprises me that when you can take a device apart and have all the time in the world, you cannot get data out of it

You average 10 year old can get info of a PC hard drive
I'm assigned to computer forensics. On the android phones or computers, the memory cards (micro SD/SIM) and/or hard drives can be removed for imaging and digital forensic analysis - without the need for system passwords. Technology is a double edged sword - it's how one uses it: for good or evil!

However, on a locked/encrypted iPhone, the memory is built into the board and non-removeable. Therefore, it's virtually impossible to retrieve any data even with forensic tools/softwares without the system password. Furthermore, Apple only provided very limited data information with search warrants and subpoenas - way less revealing and minimal evidentiary value than from an actual digital forensic examination.

For those worries about your privacy rights, not to worry, your liberal CA law makers had signed a stricter bill, SB178 for 2016, Cal ECPA. https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/f...201520160SB178

Privacy rights vs public protection/safety is an on-going balancing act! Just be careful what you wish for!

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