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Front license plate? It's now $200 if not..

Heads-up!! Does your car have a front license plate? If not, you will face a $200 fine. IMO... it sucks... I guess I'll have to start researching these threads for the best way of adding a front license plate..

I'm thinking, besides more money via fines, it helps the License Plate Recognition schemes that's out there now and the ones scheduled for in the future..
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Thanks for the info! Guess I'd better find a solution as well. For today, I'll just slide it on the dash. Seems to work for some...


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Is this a new law just passed? As far as I know Texas law doesn't have a specific charge for no front plate so you can fight it in court and win?? I've done quite a bit of research as well as never been pulled over with multiple vehicles however I'm in San Antonio...

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The sticker in the drivers side door jamb states there are NHTSA exemptions for our cars
I've been pulled over once for no front plate. Showed him the sticker and stated exemptions. The rest of the 10 minutes was spent with him asking me all about the car. Lol.


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I imagine missing front plates are one of the biggest problems that Texas faces these days. Good to see that your legislature is on top of it.

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I imagine missing front plates are one of the biggest problems that Texas faces these days. Good to see that your legislature is on top of it.

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Exactly. I can picture the state trooper radioing in to headquarters:

Trooper: I'm in pursuit of a bright orange car!

Dispatch: What's the tag #?

Trooper: Dang, I don't know Didn't have a front plate.

Dispatch: How are we supposed to know which car to stop at the roadblock if we don't have a front plate #?

Trooper: Cuz the dang thing is BRIGHT ORANGE and don't look like anything else on the road!

Silliness and wasted time that could have been allocated towards something important.




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I once had a cop give me some story about a hit and run during the winter where the pedestrian died but the car hit a snow bank right after and left a reverse imprint from the stamped license plate in the snow, thereby getting him arrested. The cop said that's why front plates are so important. I then pointed out that our plates are digitally printed and no amount of impact would ever leave the numbers behind, and then I got a ticket.

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I once had a cop give me some story about a hit and run during the winter where the pedestrian died but the car hit a snow bank right after and left a reverse imprint from the stamped license plate in the snow, thereby getting him arrested. The cop said that's why front plates are so important. I then pointed out that our plates are digitally printed and no amount of impact would ever leave the numbers behind, and then I got a ticket.
I think something more along the lines of:
"But sir, a front license plate will kill my aero" may have been the better response

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Was not aware that Texas was a two plate state.

Also I doubt that cop was telling the truth about the plate leaving an imprint. The chance of that story being true is probably lower than the chance of lightning hitting the same place 15 times in a row.
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I used industrial strenght velcro.

I saw a post of a euro car group who got a front plate ticket that said

To the above named defendant:

Firstname/lastname a public servant, in which you substantially stated as follows:

defendant stated his front plate is not on his vehicle because its (NOT COOL).

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Is this a new law just passed? As far as I know Texas law doesn't have a specific charge for no front plate so you can fight it in court and win?? I've done quite a bit of research as well as never been pulled over with multiple vehicles however I'm in San Antonio...
I'd lie to know that too....never been pulled over (yet), but I'd maybe try to tell the officer that the big 'ol Texas plates just won't fit on that skinny narrow thing. I'll check out that NHTSA exemption.

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The law has only been amended to add the $200 fine back in. Previous law you might have to pay a court fee or something but no fine. Just had to show that you fixed it.

Texans have been trying to get rid of front plates but the law enforcement lobby has so far been successful in keeping them. Here is the latest bill and its progress: Texas Legislature Online - 83(R) History for HB 657

Generally their logic is that it makes a car easier to identify during a crime. Clearly this would only apply to crimes with no pre-meditation (hit & run). Other crimes such as kidnapping would be silly as the criminal would likely remove or swap plates making the value of the law limited. Based on this logic we would all just have mandatory GPS tracking and RFID chips embedded in our heads.

If you read law enforcement forums it sounds like the real reason they want the plate law is for an excuse to pull someone over so they can check for other violations etc.

Also, there is a lot of conflict about where a plate needs to be displayed to satisfy the law. Technically it just needs to be visible from the front of the vehicle but law enforcement officers routinely misinterpret this to mean that it has to be on the bumper which is technically not true. Texas DMV used to have information on their site which interpreted the law as it was written and stated it was OK to put it in the front window.

Is there a good front plate solution that doesn't block airflow to the radiators or scrape the ground and is easily removable for track days?
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Thanks Ninja, for the starting point for my research. Sounds like the front dash/window is my choice, because the front plate really screws up the looks of the car....and until that Viper down the street puts his on, I'm not gonna....

Now I have to get to writing my worthless politicians...er, representatives in Austin.

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What do the state troopers do when they encounter a car from another state where a front plate in not required driving in their jurisdictions? Ticket them anyway? Don't bother? Pull them over and hassle them then let them go? If I'm on a motorcycle from a state where there are no helmet laws don't I have to have one in a state that does? Now plates are issued by the state where helmets are not so can I get a ticket for being from a state that only issues one plate in a state that requires two?

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The sticker in the drivers side door jamb states there are NHTSA exemptions for our cars
I've been pulled over once for no front plate. Showed him the sticker and stated exemptions. The rest of the 10 minutes was spent with him asking me all about the car. Lol.


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What do the state troopers do when they encounter a car from another state where a front plate in not required driving in their jurisdictions? Ticket them anyway? Don't bother? Pull them over and hassle them then let them go? If I'm on a motorcycle from a state where there are no helmet laws don't I have to have one in a state that does? Now plates are issued by the state where helmets are not so can I get a ticket for being from a state that only issues one plate in a state that requires two?
Vehicle registration is tied to your state of residence so if your state doesn't require a front plate then you aren't required to display one. That doesn't mean you won't be harassed for it though.

As far as motorcycle helmets goes I don't know. I would guess you need one if the state you are in requires it.
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Exactly. I can picture the state trooper radioing in to headquarters:

Trooper: I'm in pursuit of a bright orange car!

Dispatch: What's the tag #?

Trooper: Dang, I don't know Didn't have a front plate.

Dispatch: How are we supposed to know which car to stop at the roadblock if we don't have a front plate #?

Trooper: Cuz the dang thing is BRIGHT ORANGE and don't look like anything else on the road!

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Trooper: I'm in pursuit of a bright orange car!

Dispatch: What's the tag #?

Trooper: Dang, I don't know Didn't have a front plate.

Dispatch: Is he persuing you or are you persuing him?

Trooper: I'm in pursuit.

Dispatch: then read the back plates which should be in front of you!
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If you would like to brighten someone's day, give these numbers a try. Each call I made brought out a smirk and chuckle from the people I spoke to. Final word from each call concerning an exemption was "Sorrrrrry..."

DOT passed me to the Tax/Title folks (214.653.7811), which passed me on to Dept of Motor Vehicle (972.417.0884), which passed me on to Dept of Public Safety ( 214.533.033), which the automated menu disconnected me on the last section.

Doesn't look good.
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I just finished doing some research on this, with regard to the NHTSA Exemption. There is one, and the relevant inclusions are as follows:

In consideration of the foregoing, it is
hereby found that compliance with the
requirements of Paragraph S.7 of 49 CFR
571.208, Lamps, reflective devices, and
associated equipment; and 49 CFR part
581 Bumper Standard
would cause
substantial economic hardship to a
manufacturer that has tried in good faith
to comply with the standard. It is
further found that the granting of an
exemption would be in the public
interest and consistent with the
objectives of traffic safety.
In accordance with 49 U.S.C.
30113(b)(3)(B)(i), Lotus is granted
NHTSA Temporary Exemption No. EX
03–4, from Paragraph S.7 of 49 CFR
571.208, Lamps, reflective devices, and
associated equipment; and 49 CFR part
581 Bumper Standard. The exemption
shall remain in effect until January 1,
2007.

I suppose you could try to argue that the bumper standard is an exemption and that somehow (?) this relates to the front plate mounting area.....but it's pretty thin.....(Source: Federal Registry)

Looks like we takes our chances......

Stephen.

Just thought of something....

"Officer, this car has a Federal Exemption for the bumper, because it is a single clam. The exemption covers the bumper design and the lights. The NHTSA exempted Lotus from designing a US-compliant bumper because these cars are made in such low volumes, and the area for a US license plate was allowed to remain as it is. May I go now, officer?"

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