Lotus vs Honda (x2). Honda wins. - Page 2 - LotusTalk - The Lotus Cars Community
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
post #21 of 64 (permalink) Old 01-08-2008, 07:43 AM
Registered User
 
Brian 111's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 1,494
Quote:
Originally Posted by shay2nak View Post
wow, sorry about your car, man.

i thought it would be a drag racing thread when I saw the title.
Rear wheel angle looks bad.
Brian 111 is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #22 of 64 (permalink) Old 01-08-2008, 07:45 AM
Registered User
 
yak52pilot's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 664
So sorry for you. I had just a minor accident where only the clam and door skin had to be replaced. Still its been 4 month without the loti. Good luck w your next car.

07 Exige S, all options. rip
yak52pilot is offline  
post #23 of 64 (permalink) Old 01-08-2008, 10:38 AM Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Drjest's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Plano, TX
Posts: 55
Today I went to the boby shop to get more pictures and pick up some items I left in the car.

Here is a picture of the back right tire. http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2302/...bb7bde.jpg?v=0

It seems that backing off the flatbed completely turned it around.

06 Phantom Black/Bis. - RIP 1/08
Drjest is offline  
 
post #24 of 64 (permalink) Old 01-08-2008, 10:50 AM
Registered User
 
codymac's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: where the east tapers out and the west begins
Posts: 9,297
Quote:
Originally Posted by Drjest View Post
Today I went to the boby shop to get more pictures and pick up some items I left in the car.

Here is a picture of the back right tire.

It seems that backing off the flatbed completely turned it around.
Might have just popped the toe link then - did you happen to have a look underneath?

torque (trk) n. - an excuse for the lack of momentum.
- let's bring back CanAm & Group B!
- have you hugged your Exige today?
I'm currently working on my performance driving merit badge.
There's always somebody faster, sometimes it's me.
codymac is offline  
post #25 of 64 (permalink) Old 01-08-2008, 11:04 AM
xtn
Registered User
 
xtn's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Texas
Posts: 6,981
I do not think that the toe link is the only thing broken. That wheel is severley displaced in camber AND toe. This really sucks. I was waiting in the 635 eastbound line to the HW75 "high-five" exit just Sunday evening myself.

xtn

2006 McLareghini Bugatterrari, Storm Titanium... installed: air horn, Scroth 4-point ASM harnesses, Sector111 halon extinguisher and mounting bracket, Von Hep exhaust and rear panel delete, Pagid brake pads, red Volks CE28n wheels, Toyo RA-1 tires, Nitron SA coilovers, Sector111 (WorksBell) quick-disconnect steering wheel kit. awaiting installation: Scroth "pull-up" lap belts, Sector111 RTD Brace, Tony's heater bypass mod, and dropped steering rack mounting plates.
xtn is offline  
post #26 of 64 (permalink) Old 01-08-2008, 12:36 PM
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 145
Ouch. Sorry for your loss man! On the bright side, that is what insurance is for! Too bad you might have to wait a little while to drive your baby, but the baby about to come into your life should keep you plenty busy. Congrats on that BTW!
Determined is offline  
post #27 of 64 (permalink) Old 01-08-2008, 01:38 PM Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Drjest's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Plano, TX
Posts: 55
Trunk

Pictures from/around back right tire. The tire was in the way so I took what I could.
Pic1
Pic2
Pic3
Pic4
Pic5
Pic6 Looking from the back towards to right back tire.
Pic7
Pic8
Pic9
Pic10
Pic11

Pic12 Inside the front clam. Stuck camera were the right headlight used to be.
Pic13 Close up of front right
Pic14 more front, needs a good Detail I know...

Those are all hi-res. Flickr has lower res versions.

06 Phantom Black/Bis. - RIP 1/08

Last edited by Drjest; 01-08-2008 at 02:01 PM. Reason: adding low res link
Drjest is offline  
post #28 of 64 (permalink) Old 01-08-2008, 01:50 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,752
Pics/site is blocked at work.

Sorry to hear what happened to you. Met you at Cresson back in Sept? Car was beautiful.
Toad is offline  
post #29 of 64 (permalink) Old 01-08-2008, 01:56 PM
Registered User
 
Phantom's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Alabama
Posts: 1,035
Quote:
Originally Posted by Z-dculus View Post
+1 for totalled.
+2

My condolences- Glad you're okay-

Grab Life by the Wheel
Phantom is offline  
post #30 of 64 (permalink) Old 01-08-2008, 02:23 PM
Registered User
 
codymac's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: where the east tapers out and the west begins
Posts: 9,297
Quote:
Originally Posted by Drjest View Post

Pictures from/around back right tire. The tire was in the way so I took what I could.
IMG 084 tells me it's either totalled or a chassis swap - damaged chassis.

torque (trk) n. - an excuse for the lack of momentum.
- let's bring back CanAm & Group B!
- have you hugged your Exige today?
I'm currently working on my performance driving merit badge.
There's always somebody faster, sometimes it's me.
codymac is offline  
post #31 of 64 (permalink) Old 01-08-2008, 07:44 PM
Registered User
 
Brent Bauman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Tustin Ranch, Ca
Posts: 1,116
codymac,
What chassis damage do you see in that pic. I see a toe link that broke and let the front inside edge of the tire scuff the chassis.
Brent Bauman is offline  
post #32 of 64 (permalink) Old 01-08-2008, 08:19 PM
Registered User
 
codymac's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: where the east tapers out and the west begins
Posts: 9,297
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brent Bauman View Post
codymac,
What chassis damage do you see in that pic. I see a toe link that broke and let the front inside edge of the tire scuff the chassis.
It's premature without having eyes on it but...

The outside edge of that extrusion, where the front inner edge of the wheel made contact, should be straight and it's bent out a bit. I'm seeing some clean adhesive on the inside of that joint, so it looks like it has been pushed out and started to tear apart at the bond.

Guessing... but that scuff looks like a fulcrum spot where the wheel became a lever and pulled on the A-arms and everything else.

If I'm seeing it right, that extrusion is the end cap to the chassis rail where the galvanized subframe is bolted to the front section of the chassis.

The clean adhesive was the thing that stuck out first and foremost to me - it's a much brighter orange in that photo than the bit that squeezed out below it and has been exposed.

The inboard side of the extrusion doesn't look bent so I'd guess that the outside edge went out and forward a bit and the whole subframe is cocked ever so slightly.

My .02

torque (trk) n. - an excuse for the lack of momentum.
- let's bring back CanAm & Group B!
- have you hugged your Exige today?
I'm currently working on my performance driving merit badge.
There's always somebody faster, sometimes it's me.
codymac is offline  
post #33 of 64 (permalink) Old 01-09-2008, 06:27 AM
xtn
Registered User
 
xtn's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Texas
Posts: 6,981
Cody probably already had the whole scenario modeled in Solidworks before you even had the accident.

xtn

PS - And you should know that his $.02 is worth at least $.15.

2006 McLareghini Bugatterrari, Storm Titanium... installed: air horn, Scroth 4-point ASM harnesses, Sector111 halon extinguisher and mounting bracket, Von Hep exhaust and rear panel delete, Pagid brake pads, red Volks CE28n wheels, Toyo RA-1 tires, Nitron SA coilovers, Sector111 (WorksBell) quick-disconnect steering wheel kit. awaiting installation: Scroth "pull-up" lap belts, Sector111 RTD Brace, Tony's heater bypass mod, and dropped steering rack mounting plates.
xtn is offline  
post #34 of 64 (permalink) Old 01-09-2008, 07:43 AM Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Drjest's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Plano, TX
Posts: 55
Cody, do you mean it should follow the red lines? And that you think force was applied in the direction of the arrow?


06 Phantom Black/Bis. - RIP 1/08
Drjest is offline  
post #35 of 64 (permalink) Old 01-09-2008, 10:18 AM
Registered User
 
codymac's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: where the east tapers out and the west begins
Posts: 9,297
Quote:
Originally Posted by Drjest View Post
Cody, do you mean it should follow the red lines? And that you think force was applied in the direction of the arrow?
Yes to the red lines.

The red arrow would be where I'm guessing the wheel hit and acted as a second class lever: fulcrum being the wheel against the extrusion, resistance being the A-arm/wheel hub/subframe, force being the Honda.

The bending there probably resulting from the force (as shown in your arrow) on the fulcrum point.

But yeah, basically... I'm 99% sure that bent part should be a straight part.


I'd definitely point it out to the adjuster and try to get him (or the shop) to pull the wheel for a closer look at the suspension pick-up points (not really shown in the photos) to inspect them for damage as well. Then I'd try to be quiet and patient while I waited for him to tell me what I already suspected.

On the up side, if the suspension pick-up points aren't damaged, it'd probably make for a great salvage rebuild for a track/race car.

torque (trk) n. - an excuse for the lack of momentum.
- let's bring back CanAm & Group B!
- have you hugged your Exige today?
I'm currently working on my performance driving merit badge.
There's always somebody faster, sometimes it's me.
codymac is offline  
post #36 of 64 (permalink) Old 01-10-2008, 06:21 PM Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Drjest's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Plano, TX
Posts: 55
Give Cody a round of . We took off the tire and got some better photos.

Straight on: I haven't seen the other side, but is that much glue supposed to be coming out?


Is that bar bent? Should it be bent?


Cody's Smoking Gun.. the wheel.


No official word on the "total" status, but its looking pretty likely. I will give props to Freeway Motors for calling me when the Appraisers showed up. Appraiser #1 said he would call me and didn't. He didn't even take off the wheel and gave an initial damage estimate of $15k (fixable). I took off the wheel and showed him the dent. He then said lets get a $$ value on replacing that part.

The second appraiser listened to the body shop and walked away saying probably total, but he has to see what he can get at salvage first.

Its hard to be patient here. It seems like everyone wants to move at their own slow pace.

Jeff

06 Phantom Black/Bis. - RIP 1/08
Drjest is offline  
post #37 of 64 (permalink) Old 01-10-2008, 06:44 PM
Registered User
 
LotusUSA's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Fishers, IN
Posts: 537
Congratulations on your new exige 240!

"More power makes it fast on the straight, less weight makes it fast everywhere." - Colin Chapman
2006 BRITISH RACING GREEN EXIGE
2005 SAFFRON YELLOW ELISE (R.I.P.)
LotusUSA is offline  
post #38 of 64 (permalink) Old 01-10-2008, 07:06 PM
Registered User
 
codymac's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: where the east tapers out and the west begins
Posts: 9,297
Quote:
Originally Posted by Drjest View Post
Give Cody a round of . We took off the tire and got some better photos.
Honestly, I'd prefer to be wrong.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Drjest View Post
Straight on: I haven't seen the other side, but is that much glue supposed to be coming out?
Yeah - that's just a function of the chassis assembly. There's joints all over the car where a bit of adhesive is squeezed out. I'm sure there's an engineered thickness expected to the adhesive and a process for the application that allows for just a little more than needed to ensure coverage while wasting as little as possible.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Drjest View Post
Is that bar bent? Should it be bent?
That's the lower A-arm. Don't think it should be bent and there's a mark visible on the outside of it in this photo which would indicated it was bent over something:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jeffand...7603667621614/

That piece is easily replaced though.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Drjest View Post
Cody's Smoking Gun.. the wheel.
Wow - did a number on the wheel too.

The thing that would definitely put it over the edge would be if the lower A-arm/chassis points got bent out of shape.

In these photos, they appear OK, but can't be seen well enough to say:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jeffand...7603667621614/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jeffand...7603667621614/

I bet the car would be fine to repair and drive but doubt Lotus would ever back that since we're so litigious here in the States.

As a side note, I had a ding in an R1 frame push it over to total status with USAA back in 2000 (there was a whole lot of other damage too). While the bike was structurally fine, the cosmetic issue called for frame replacement and the labor pushed it over the threshold. Of course, it also took a month to settle since none of the local USAA adjusters knew jack about bikes. Although it was a little slow, they didn't even blink... but pretty much dropped me ASAP.

Man... that whole High 5 75/Hillcrest/Preston/635 business is just not working as intended. We were just talking about that the other day - seems like they waited way too long to try to expand the 75/635 intersection and everything around it was far too built up to leave adequate room for when they finally got around to trying to make it better.


Quote:
Originally Posted by LotusUSA View Post
Congratulations on your new exige 240!
Time for an upgrade!

torque (trk) n. - an excuse for the lack of momentum.
- let's bring back CanAm & Group B!
- have you hugged your Exige today?
I'm currently working on my performance driving merit badge.
There's always somebody faster, sometimes it's me.
codymac is offline  
post #39 of 64 (permalink) Old 01-10-2008, 07:08 PM
anglophile in exile
 
Aedo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Oz
Posts: 5,453
Quote:
Originally Posted by Drjest View Post
...but he has to see what he can get at salvage first.
Why is this relevant - I have heard it before but it seems to me that a damaged car (any car) is worth
undamaged value - (repairs + diminshed value)
If the repair is going to be greater than say 75% of the undamaged value it should be a write off, otherwise repaired (seems simple enough to me - but I am only an engineer).

So where does the salvage value come into it
Aedo is offline  
post #40 of 64 (permalink) Old 01-11-2008, 04:31 PM Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Drjest's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Plano, TX
Posts: 55
AFAIK, In your equation, salvage value would be substracted from undamaged value first.

(undamaged value - salvage value) = approx net cost to the insurance company in a total situation.

06 Phantom Black/Bis. - RIP 1/08
Drjest is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

  LotusTalk - The Lotus Cars Community > Community > Regions > Texas Region

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the LotusTalk - The Lotus Cars Community forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in











Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome