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Lotus reports Exige S is 5 seconds faster around their track than Cup 260

Lotus cars put this on their Facebook page:
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EXIGE S UPDATE: It just came back from our Hethel test track and we can reveal that during final testing its lap times have been compared to the Mk2 Exige Cup 260.

The new Exige S is up to 5 seconds a lap faster then the old Exige Cup 260.

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Exige cup 260, Yokohama A048: 1 min 37.90 seconds
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At least this is better PR...but in light of the week, you have to consider the source. I guess if Hethel says so, it must be true

Something peculiar about the results of that comparison.

I would really love an explanation how this was accomplished. 100bhp difference in a heavier (over 440lbs) car shouldn't equal a 5 second improvement.

In that time and distance, that is an average of just under 90mph for the exige s and 84mphg for the Cup 260. Thats a huge difference as power aside, the Cup 260 should be able to brake later and turn harder being lighter, more balanced and shorter.

Also something else that kind of brings this data into question is a competition underway in Car Magazine is promoting...2010 Sport 260 around Hethel/ ...Gavan Kershaw, who oversees the development of all new Lotus models, set the target for the Journalist at 1min 32.4sec based on what he accomplished in the 2010 Sport 260. If that is true, that would suggest the driver who set those times was slower in both the 260 and new S.

As I said, consider the source.

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I agree.

My car has a (slightly) better power to weight ratio and weighs 400 lbs less. It should be quite faster than the new Exige S. The 260 is 50 hp down on my car, but come on, not 5 seconds per lap down.

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I don't know about the numbers but it wouldent suprise me if the new exige is significantly faster than any of the old factory cars.

Power to weight is important, remember with equal weight driver the balance shifts more in favor of the new car. 100 hp is a lot and the powerband of the new car is likely broader and more consistent. Also the power to areodynamic drive is way in favor of the new car. It seems to have similar frontl area. It should have a large acceleration advantage at higher speeds. I believe it wears 265 or 275 rear tires as well so should hve similar grip.

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Clarification - per Lotus, the new V6 is 345 HP and weighs 1176kg (2592+ lbs) vs 890kg (1962 lbs)for the 2010 Cup 260.

That means the Exige V6 has an 85 HP advantage but a 286kg (630 lbs) disadvantage over the Cup 260.

The V6 has a 'Lotus' published 0-60 time of 3.8 seconds.
The 2010 Cup 260 has a 0-60 time of 4.1+ seconds.

By the way - the 2010 Cup 260's 0-60 time is actually slightly higher than a 2009's which 'Lotus' published at 3.9 seconds (variation due to 2010+ ECU changes to reduce carbon dioxide emissions)

So, staying consistent with my source here, the statistical difference between the two should not result in a 5 second variance. Something doesn't add up.

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I believe it wears 265 or 275 rear tires as well so should hve similar grip.
Exige V6 has F 205/45/17 & R:265/35/18
CUP 260 has F 195/50/16 & R:225/45/17

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Are the cars driven back to back on the same day? Or did they just test the Exige S a few rounds and take the best lap compared to, presumably, the best lap of Cup 260 driven some time ago?


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this doesn't mean anything. "Save up to $500 on your car insurance!" ..... same thing

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I take all of lotuses published data with the proverbial grain of salt. My point is only I wont be too suprised if the new exige is significanty faster than any of the outgoing cars.

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How fast can it make a lap to the grocery store? That answer of course is "never", which means not many people care. Can't make a car company if the vast majority of your customers can't drive the car.

Which is a shame because it's awesome in a modern Noble way.
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I guess I'm wondering why a V6 Exige should weight 600+lbs more than a I4 Exige, stretched wheel base and all.

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fatter engine, fatter transaxle, fatter rear sub frame, and probably fatter rear suspension. fatter wheels/ tires, etc... (i wonder if its an evora rear suspension, vs, and exige?) probably a bigger fuel tank, bla bla bla.. but yea... 600 - i can see 300 easy, but 600 seems rather excessive. also you are comparing the cup car (which is about 100lbs lighter than a regular exige right?) so its probably more like 500 lbs more apples to apples.

....but then again. according to danny "our new cars weigh more because of the thought that goes into them" they must have put some extra thought into the v6 exige.?

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I don't know about the numbers but it wouldent suprise me if the new exige is significantly faster than any of the old factory cars.
Agreed. Power-to-weight isn't everything, although it is important. Being lightest also doesn't mean it will brake in the shortest distance either. The Exige doesn't make Motor Trend's top 15 cars with the shortest stopping distances. Tire size, tire compound, brake pads, etc. all make a difference. Driver confidence is a huge factor and cars that instill that confidence often lap faster than cars that feel more twitchy but theoretically should be faster. The Nissan GTR despite its bloated weight outlaps cars with much better power to weight ratios. Several different drivers have lapped Laguna Seca in the Boss Mustang Laguna Seca edition several seconds faster than the laps turned in by every Lotus Elise and Exige driver in the Lotus Cup series (save robains and his race car), including Cup 255 and S260s. The Boss Mustang also has an inferior power-to-weight ratio versus the Exige.
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Anyone selling their Cup 260 cheap? Lol

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Could the Hethel track being repaved recently also be a factor?
I've heard it was pretty damn rough in the previous years, and that has in some part contributed in suspension developments. Now though, with Bahar in charge, the track has been repaved and FIA certified.

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I`d still take the cup 260.
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doesn't anyone remember all the the posts about how the cars Ferrari tests are not the cars people drive out of the showroom? I'm not suggesting Lotus does that, but considering just the obvious variables - track conditions, weather conditions, tires, driver skill, etc. - it's easily believable that one car could be +/- 5% of another car, with similar performance capabilities.
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doesn't anyone remember all the the posts about how the cars Ferrari tests are not the cars people drive out of the showroom?
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Funny isn't it that Lotus' lightweight is gaining 600 pounds while Mazda is cutting weight from the Miata with an estimated weight of 2200 pounds. Hmmm...makes you wonder who has their priorities straight.
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Lotus just posted the following on FB:

FINAL TESTING OF THE EXIGE S IN HETHEL: Jan Hoel asked the question where the improved laptime - 5 seconds faster than the old Exige Cup 260 - comes from:
More power
More torque
Better power/torque to weight ratio
Higher lateral acceleration
Courtesy of suspension improvements and new Pirelli tyres
Better braking – courtesy of Pirelli tyres and new brake system
New race mode which optimises traction

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