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post #201 of 217 (permalink) Old 12-17-2009, 08:07 PM
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Since quite a few of the Elise owners back their cars up on ramps to change the oil, putting the oil drain on the front of the pan would allow every bit of the oil to drain. Easy, peasy. Also inexpensive.
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post #202 of 217 (permalink) Old 12-18-2009, 06:41 AM
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Something just right

This is a request to keep something the same.

It turns out that on the North American Elise the little openings for knick knacks at the far left and right side of the car (on the dash board, just in front of the sills) are the ideal size.

They are just the right side to hold a Garmin 4.3 inch GPS.

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Another request, probably already talked about, but with recent Evora it seems Lotus have decided to stray a bit from their motto: Performance through Featherweight

Instead they added some weight but also added more power.
Also with recent Elise and Exige they also seem to be adding some more weight.

So for Lotus, please... don't be like every other car company that adds weight with every new model, stay focused on your motto.

Another something, Lotus decided to partner up with Cosworth, it's a good idea, since Cosworth have done some really nice engines, and Ford has done a great job to use these engines, the Escort and Sierra Cosworth are some of the best cars in the world, winning many competitions. Use the engines in the Elise/Exige, though Toyota is very reliable, I didn't hear too many problems with Cosworth either. It's also a great base for modifications.
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It would also be nice if they updated their website more and added the Evora on the car configurator...
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Another request, probably already talked about, but with recent Evora it seems Lotus have decided to stray a bit from their motto: Performance through Featherweight

Instead they added some weight but also added more power.
Also with recent Elise and Exige they also seem to be adding some more weight.

So for Lotus, please... don't be like every other car company that adds weight with every new model, stay focused on your motto.
I never heard Lotus' motto being 'Performance through Featherweight.'

Certainly their philosophy has largely been about lower power but lower weight as well. Lately their 'motto,' official or not official, I've heard being 'Add Lightness.'

Your point is taken, but Lotus has not always been solely about making one ton or lighter cars. The 7's, Type 14 Elite, Elans, Europas, etc. have all been a ton or less. But those cars were more kit cars than anything else, and were produced at a time when cars were not required by law to do much in the way of protecting the occupants. The first Elises were well under a ton, the Fed S2's right there and the Exige a tad over.

But to get a one ton car on the road today, that legally meets all federal requirements for crash worthiness, safety, emissions, etc. means taking out nearly everything that folks, especially Americans, see as needed for day to day use of a car.

The Elise and Exige are stripped out, limited use cars. If all Lotus makes are stripped out, limited use cars, they saturate their market very quickly. Argument can be made that the Elise/Exige market IS tapped out now as they sell what, maybe a few dozen new Elise/Exige a year in the US now? Certanly far fewer than 100 new Lotus are per year now.

So they HAVE to make a car that has more mainstream appeal, and to do that in goes more carpeting, a nav system, a few more bits of luxury, all the aluminum in the interior covered with a pleasing surface, etc. etc.

A 3000 lb car is still a fairly light road car, all things considered. The Esprit was around 3000 I believe. The Eclat, second generation Elite, and Excel were closer to 3000 than 2000.

I doubt you'll see a 3500 lb Lotus anytime soon, but to make a marketable car here, the strpped Elise/Exige won't cut it anymore.

Of course, the problem with the Evora is more the price than anything else.
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Improvements for 2006 Elise I Can Think Of...

1. Radiator that lasts longer than 3 years. (I installed the proRAD from Sector 111 because I had to [estimated shop time at Lotus dealer - 8 hours]).

2. Oil cooler hose fittings that stay leak free longer than 3 years and are designed to be repaired instead of replaced. Offer fittings and hose through dealers if necessary. (Still working on a fix for that [estimated shop time at Lotus dealership per side hose - 5 hours).

3. Air filter that doesn't require a supernatural intercession to replace. (Looking for an aftermarket induction system just to ease filter changes).

4. Harder, more scratch resistant paint. If that means going away from water based paint, so be it. (I scratch my Elise even when hand washing with great care). How come nobody compains about that on this site?

5. Protection for tail lights inside trunk. (I have Sector 111 "The Bootie" and need it though it's a fairly heavy and reduces total usable trunk space).

6. Hinged clamshells as options. (At least on the rear).

7. Easier removal of front Front Turn Lamps housing. (Wow, not even mentioned in the Front Clamshell Removal section of the Service Manual but rather in the Electrics section [Section MP] under Front Lamp Assemblies [Sub-Section MP.10 Page 12]).

8. Smaller rear view mirror. (I have Sector 111 mirror and love it).

9. Offer adjustable Lotus approved shocks that can be tested and overhalled in North America as an option. (Just ordered Nitron 2 ways).

10. Baffeled oil pan as an option. (I installed the Sector 111 gPAN). I realize Lotus offers the Accusump system but I've read about these things leaking and I wanted to avoid the increase in complexity and weight.

11. Improved baffeled gas tank or other fuel starvation solutions as options. (I installed the Sector 111 V2 Motorsports fuel tank with great difficulty).

12. Stiffer engine mounts as an option. (Have those).

13. Locking gas cap. (Made that using Stant 11507 and instructions from lotustalk.com).

14. Offer OEM approved higher performance brake pads as an option. (Just ordered Pagid Blues).

15 Thread-Lock door screws.

16. Improve gear shifter response/feel.

17. More gauges.

18. More space between gas pedal and brake.

19. Oil by-pass filter as an option.

20. Usable sun visors.

21. Glow in the dark dimples on the HVAC control knobs.

22. A Service Manual and Parts Manual that aren't riddled with errors and oversights.

23. ABS should work better in the slush and snow.

That's after 3 months of ownership.

That's alot of money spent on aftermarket parts that Lotus missed out on. The only upgrades I got from Lotus were the Track Use Rear Brace Kit and 2 sets of LSS wheels with Lotus centre caps and the raised rear Lotus lettering. Oh, and the $270 cup holder (It's a sight to behold). The previous owner got the Stage 2 exhaust and - this is not a typo - $3500 seats with racing harness. These seats make the regular seats look like junk.

Even with these shortfalls, I bought my 2006 Elise (Canyon Red) because I think it's the best designed car in the world. Virtually no electric/electronic gadgetry or any other gadgetry for that matter. I love how the Trip Meter Reset Button doubles as the Speedometer Backlight adjustment or the Interior Light is adjusted by changing it's angle. Not to mention the performance or the look of the thing. Everywhere I go people are just agog. Bloody bunch of geniuses that designed this thing. The British should be proud. And to think it was designed in 1995.

Makes American cars look like they're in the stoneage. Back then Ford was making plastic engine parts that would melt and blow the engine (1994 Thunderbird) or SUV's with such crappy suspensions that they recommended inflating the tires to a maximum that was 6 psi lower than the tire manufacturers minimum safe operating pressure (Firestone and the Ford Explorer) and GM was making millions of engines with bio-degradable intake manifold gaskets that would blow the engine (3.4 L in the Pontiac Montana). GM lost a huge class action law suite on that one. 340,000 claimants I recall.

Oh, and remember when Ford decided to mount the Electronic Engine Ignition Module on the top of the engine in their Tauruses even though the heat would cause the engines to stall. The company figured that it would cost 25 cents per car to relocate the module but that it would be cheaper to pay the liability claims for the extra 175 people that would be killed than to relocate the module. Then Ford lost a $200 million law suite after an entire family was killed on the shoulder of an LA highway due to a stalled out Taurus and the company memos dealing with the issue were brought as evidence into court. Those were the days.

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1. Radiator that lasts longer than 3 years. (I installed the proRAD from Sector 111 because I had to [estimated shop time at Lotus dealer - 8 hours]).

2. Oil cooler hose fittings that stay leak free longer than 3 years and are designed to be repaired instead of replaced. Offer fittings and hose through dealers if necessary. (Still working on a fix for that [estimated shop time at Lotus dealership per side hose - 5 hours).

3. Air filter that doesn't require a supernatural intercession to replace. (Looking for an aftermarket induction system just to ease filter changes).

4. Harder, more scratch resistant paint. If that means going away from water based paint, so be it. (I scratch my Elise even when hand washing with great care). How come nobody compains about that on this site?

5. Protection for tail lights inside trunk. (I have Sector 111 "The Bootie" and need it though it's a fairly heavy and reduces total usable trunk space).

6. Hinged clamshells as options. (At least on the rear).

7. Easier removal of front Front Turn Lamps housing. (Wow, not even mentioned in the Front Clamshell Removal section of the Service Manual but rather in the Electrics section [Section MP] under Front Lamp Assemblies [Sub-Section MP.10 Page 12]).

8. Smaller rear view mirror. (I have Sector 111 mirror and love it).

9. Offer adjustable Lotus approved shocks that can be tested and overhalled in North America as an option. (Just ordered Nitron 2 ways).

10. Baffeled oil pan as an option. (I installed the Sector 111 gPAN). I realize Lotus offers the Accusump system but I've read about these things leaking and I wanted to avoid the increase in complexity and weight.

11. Improved baffeled gas tank or other fuel starvation solutions as options. (I installed the Sector 111 V2 Motorsports fuel tank with great difficulty).

12. Stiffer engine mounts as an option. (Have those).

13. Locking gas cap. (Made that using Stant 11507 and instructions from lotustalk.com).

14. Offer OEM approved higher performance brake pads as an option. (Just ordered Pagid Blues).

15 Thread-Lock door screws.

16. Improve gear shifter response/feel.

17. More gauges.

18. More space between gas pedal and brake.

19. Oil by-pass filter as an option.

20. Usable sun visors.

21. Glow in the dark dimples on the HVAC control knobs.

22. A Service Manual and Parts Manual that aren't riddled with errors and oversights.

23. ABS should work better in the slush and snow.

That's after 3 months of ownership.

That's alot of money spent on aftermarket parts that Lotus missed out on. The only upgrades I got from Lotus were the Track Use Rear Brace Kit and 2 sets of LSS wheels with Lotus centre caps and the raised rear Lotus lettering. Oh, and the $270 cup holder (It's a sight to behold). The previous owner got the Stage 2 exhaust and - this is not a typo - $3500 seats with racing harness. These seats make the regular seats look like junk.

Even with these shortfalls, I bought my 2006 Elise (Canyon Red) because I think it's the best designed car in the world. Virtually no electric/electronic gadgetry or any other gadgetry for that matter. I love how the Trip Meter Reset Button doubles as the Speedometer Backlight adjustment or the Interior Light is adjusted by changing it's angle. Not to mention the performance or the look of the thing. Everywhere I go people are just agog. Bloody bunch of geniuses that designed this thing. The British should be proud. And to think it was designed in 1995.

Makes American cars look like they're in the stoneage. Back then Ford was making plastic engine parts that would melt and blow the engine (1994 Thunderbird) or SUV's with such crappy suspensions that they recommended inflating the tires to a maximum that was 6 psi lower than the tire manufacturers minimum safe operating pressure (Firestone and the Ford Explorer) and GM was making millions of engines with bio-degradable intake manifold gaskets that would blow the engine (3.4 L in the Pontiac Montana). GM lost a huge class action law suite on that one. 340,000 claimants I recall.

Oh, and remember when Ford decided to mount the Electronic Engine Ignition Module on the top of the engine in their Tauruses even though the heat would cause the engines to stall. The company figured that it would cost 25 cents per car to relocate the module but that it would be cheaper to pay the liability claims for the extra 175 people that would be killed than to relocate the module. Then Ford lost a $200 million law suite after an entire family was killed on the shoulder of an LA highway due to a stalled out Taurus and the company memos dealing with the issue were brought as evidence into court. Those were the days.

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This is a request to keep something the same.

It turns out that on the North American Elise the little openings for knick knacks at the far left and right side of the car (on the dash board, just in front of the sills) are the ideal size.

They are just the right side to hold a Garmin 4.3 inch GPS.

Well done!
And my cell phone, although it flies out on hard corners!

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This is a request to keep something the same.

It turns out that on the North American Elise the little openings for knick knacks at the far left and right side of the car (on the dash board, just in front of the sills) are the ideal size.

They are just the right side to hold a Garmin 4.3 inch GPS.

Well done!
also ideal to hold the iphone sideways in there!

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"7. Easier removal of front Front Turn Lamps housing. (Wow, not even mentioned in the Front Clamshell Removal section of the Service Manual but rather in the Electrics section [Section MP] under Front Lamp Assemblies [Sub-Section MP.10 Page 12])."

The joys of the Lotus service manual. There manuals are a bit strange. They are organized the same way the always have (since the 1960's anyway).

Ford was making plastic engine parts that would melt and blow the engine (1994 Thunderbird) - Same in 1996.
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Has there been any changes resulting from this thread or is this akin to an open letter to Santa Claus?
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Has there been any changes resulting from this thread or is this akin to an open letter to Santa Claus?
Yes, later cars have smaller mirrors that those used on the '05s and '06s. Probably a couple of others.




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My 2011 Elise SC is the most fun sportscar I have ever driven. If Lotus could make the rest of the car as reliable as the engine it would make a lot more owners happy!
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The Elise and Exige are stripped out, limited use cars. If all Lotus makes are stripped out, limited use cars, they saturate their market very quickly. .
Some of us would like to be able to purchase a stripped out limited use Evora.....
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I would like my 2016 Evora S in Roots Group, (1960 Sunbeam alpine) "lake Blue".
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Bring the Exige and Elise back to the US! With the 6 cylinder and dual clam hinges.

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