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I bought my first "old" Lotus.....1974 Europa Special

After owning 11 different Lotuses in the past, I bought my first vintage one.
My good NC Lotus buddy (XHILR8N!) graciously sold me Black Beauty!!
Owning newer Lotuses has really made me greatly appreciate this car. Such a phenomenal car build for the late 60s/early 70s.

Now to business: has anyone rebuilt the servos or gotten rid of them all together? I have read the info on Golden Gate....trying to decide how hard it will be to just get rid of them? Could I possibly just unhook the rear brakes using fronts only?
Bob/XHILR8N has all new parts on front and rear. However, the rear will spontaneously lock up. I personally would like to get rid of the boosters altogether if you guys tell me it's not too bad to do?
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Beautiful cars! Love the Europa. I can't really remember, but I think people do take the servo(s) off and maybe replace with a smaller diameter master cylinder.

To totally hijack the thread, what brand of car lifts are those and how do you like them? I'm looking to install one myself. Is that a regular garage door with the runners close to the roof?

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Congrats on the TC special. I had a 73 and regret selling it.

Remove both brake boosters, the car does not need the weight and complexity. Mine had the boosters removed. The pedal was a little heavy, but firm. I did a lot of autocross and track days with the car.
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I'm surprised he sold it again. I'm glad to see it get to live with your great collection though. I'm curious to hear your impressions of the car after you have put some miles on it and are past the familiarization stage.
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I only even learned about older Lotus in the last few years (I'm a younger guy) but I would love to have one of those europas. Actually, the first one I saw in person was also in NC


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I've been running my Europa without the servos for yearsand use a slightly smaller internal diameter master cylinder (if memory serves it is from a Triumph Spitfire). The brakes grab well are easy to modulate with "analog ABS" - if I push on the pedal hard enough that it feels like it is about to bend, the rears start to lock. The servos usually don't do much good, so you may as well save a bit of weight and take them off.

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Jay, congrats on going old school! I did the same this past year (except I went with an Elan S1) and am having the time of my life. I have been lusting over your Europa ever since XLIHR8N bought it as the twin cam Europa has always been one of my boyhood dream cars. And yours is in wonderful condition.

Although the I don't own a Europa, I know many who do and the decision to take the booster off is based mainly on keeping it original or that it doesn't really work well. The majority take them off with the understanding that a different master cylinder needs to be installed.

Enjoy the experience of old technology. Just remember, regular maintenance is a must and don't drive too far from home (I've owned over a dozen older British sports cars in my lifetime, they always seems to fail when you think everything is working just right).

When (if) you ready to sell the Europa, I'm first on the list!

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Congrats on the car, obviously I am a fan of the Europa!

The PO of my last Europa (also a 74 Special) had removed the boosters. Stops fine without them.

If you've not stumbled across Lotus Europa Central already, do so soon. They have an unbelievabe knowledge base.

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Best of luck with the car!

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Nice line up you got there!

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Whenever you are ready to swap garages, I am here for you

FYI: I do not keep my Exige in the garage...

Do it once. Do it right.
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Don't get rid of the boosters!!! I rebuilt mine (easy job) from kits readily available in the UK. If your pistons are pitted badly, a re-sleeving may be necessary and can be done by White Post Restorations. My brakes worked perfectly with little pedal effort using boosters as designed. Without boosters, the pedal pressure needed is much greater. I also kept the original Master Cylinder as well. They add to originality of car and its overall value as well. I wrote an article about saving/rebuilding my boosters on a forum on the Lotus PALS group ning website. (LotusPALS - A Social Network of Lotus Enthusiasts)
Just because others take the "easy route", or should i say "lazy route", don't you follow the other lemmings, stay focused on keeping your beautiful car in original condition and as originally designed. You will be rewarded with having it done right, others will envy its originality, and it will be worth more in the end.
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Thanks guys for the input....I might try to keep them for completeness sake....I will open them up this weekend...I am itching to drive her!
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Congratulations, I am glad "Black Beauty" is staying in another good home, but I wish it had been mine.

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Don't get rid of the boosters!!! I rebuilt mine (easy job) from kits readily available in the UK. If your pistons are pitted badly, a re-sleeving may be necessary and can be done by White Post Restorations. My brakes worked perfectly with little pedal effort using boosters as designed. Without boosters, the pedal pressure needed is much greater. I also kept the original Master Cylinder as well. They add to originality of car and its overall value as well. I wrote an article about saving/rebuilding my boosters on a forum on the Lotus PALS group ning website. (LotusPALS - A Social Network of Lotus Enthusiasts)
Just because others take the "easy route", or should i say "lazy route", don't you follow the other lemmings, stay focused on keeping your beautiful car in original condition and as originally designed. You will be rewarded with having it done right, others will envy its originality, and it will be worth more in the end.
Good luck!
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Excellent write up by the way on keeping the servos! It inspired me to do the same!
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docjay,

Congratulations on your new twink! I got to see her at the LOG in Asheville and she is a beauty!

I have two rebuild kits for the Girling boosters. If you're interested, PM me.

I was going to say enjoy your new car but I don't have to. I know you will!
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