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Mad idea need some help

Bit of background. I'm in Holland and I'm moving back to New Zealand in a few months time. Got a Honda powered S1 Elise that's coming home with me.

Now for the wild part...

I'm thinking of shipping the car to the east coast of the States and driving it across the US and getting it shipped the rest of the way home from the west coast. It's just a silly idea at the moment and in all likelihood will remain that way...

But if I did it, I'd like to do a track day or two along the way, and if at all possible an autocross - is there a class for me and do I need a license - already have a National B non-race MSA license (UK) so maybe there is a reciprocal deal or maybe I don't need one, or maybe I can get one???

Would want to take in some of the great driving routes I've read about here. Time is not a problem but money is. So any owners of shipping companies feel free to get in touch

I figure it's the only chance I'll get for a trip like this and you only live once - right? So any tips, suggestions, track days, Autocross dates, rules, laws and regulations I should be aware of, etc would be appreciated.

I've passed through the States on a few occasions on my way back and forth between Europe and NZ and on the last couple of trips got a bit adventurous, drove once down the Pacific highway from San Fran to LA and from San Fran to Vancover the last time. Really enjoyed the roads, people and the friendly State Trooper in Oregon - thanks for not giving me a ticket - I don't think your computer could handle a NZ driving license

I'm happy to cover the car in stickers etc should anyone want to sponsor a mobile bill board that as you all know is sure to snap a few necks.

So as I said a mad idea. Looking at the end of October to do it... but I'm pretty flexible. Happy to throw the keys to anyone who wants to see how the original Elise compares, excusing the engine...

Any thoughts, or should it die a death?
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....worst case the feds will just impound and crush the car

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Sounds like a great plan, but also a logistical nightmare! Good luck, I hope you can make it work out.

Track days are generally easy to plan. Figure out where you'll be and when, and then we can let you know what tracks are in the area. You can contact the track and find out what club is renting the track on a given day, then contact that club or organization to see how to participate. A local Lotus club is renting out ButtonWillow raceway (in California, between San Francisco and Los Angeles) on 10/17 if that fits into your schedule.

I don't think you need much to compete in SCCA autocross, just membership. Anyone know if you can sign up for that at the autocross itself?

If you end up driving through California, check out this website (http://pashnit.com/) for information on a lot of great roads.

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Well that's a promising start As far as I know you can get an exemption if you're a foreigner for one year - and take the car out with you.
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....worst case the feds will just impound and crush the car
Why would they? He is just a tourist and he can drive his car here if he wants. Not unlike people buying US licensed BMW's in Europe and driving there for a while before shipping it home.

On the racing stuff I have no clue, and I don't know what you'll need to bring the car as a tourist, proof of insurance etc...

Some others have brought their cars here don't recall who.
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Sounds like a great plan, but also a logistical nightmare! Good luck, I hope you can make it work out.

Track days are generally easy to plan. Figure out where you'll be and when, and then we can let you know what tracks are in the area. You can contact the track and find out what club is renting the track on a given day, then contact that club or organization to see how to participate. A local Lotus club is renting out ButtonWillow raceway (in California, between San Francisco and Los Angeles) on 10/17 if that fits into your schedule.

I don't think you need much to compete in SCCA autocross, just membership. Anyone know if you can sign up for that at the autocross itself?

If you end up driving through California, check out this website (http://pashnit.com/) for information on a lot of great roads.

Logistic's wise, I'm pretty comfortable. Credit card and a sleeping bag should see me though. Some suggestions of must do tracks and specific roads will help to form the route.
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I think the car will most likely get impounded at Customs for not being import legal. You might sneak past that by putting the car on a trailer before shipping and pick it up with a rental truck.
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Logistic's wise, I'm pretty comfortable. Credit card and a sleeping bag should see me though. Some suggestions of must do tracks and specific roads will help to form the route.
Maybe buying a GPS with US maps will help a little.
http://www.elisetalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8379
http://www.elisetalk.com/forums/show...849#post166849

I think some stores won't sell outside the US but you can get it delivered to someone where you'll land at, they can prepare it (download the maps etc) and have it ready for you when you get here.

Or if you have a nav system try to find maps for the US
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I think the car will most likely get impounded at Customs for not being import legal. You might sneak past that by putting the car on a trailer before shipping and pick it up with a rental truck.
And I think you are wrong, tourists are exempted AFAIK.
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Some suggestions of must do tracks and specific roads will help to form the route.
Must se roads:
Deals Gap, NC/TN (http://tailofthedragon.com/)
Highway 1, CA
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I know of people that have taken TVR's and the like into the States. So lets presume it won't be a problem...
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I think the car will most likely get impounded at Customs for not being import legal. You might sneak past that by putting the car on a trailer before shipping and pick it up with a rental truck.
Not true...

Non-conforming verhicles can be brought in for up to 1 year by nonresidents...

http://www.customs.gov/xp/cgov/impor...al_vehicle.xml
http://www.foreignborn.com/visas_imm...ingyourcar.htm

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Must se roads:
Deals Gap, NC/TN (http://tailofthedragon.com/)
Highway 1, CA
Yip, heard lots about it, will put a dot on the map.

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Where would you be shipping the car out of on the West coast? Would be nice if you could swing through Los Angeles or San Diego. In early November there is a track day near Las Vegas.

BTW, I think your plan is totally feasible, but you just have to put in the time to plan it correctly. Shipping will be your greatest expense most likely.

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I think the car will most likely get impounded at Customs for not being import legal. You might sneak past that by putting the car on a trailer before shipping and pick it up with a rental truck.
He's not trying to import and register the car.

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Not true...

Non-conforming verhicles can be brought in for up to 1 year by nonresidents...

http://www.customs.gov/xp/cgov/impor...al_vehicle.xml
http://www.foreignborn.com/visas_imm...ingyourcar.htm

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And to add more proof here is an quote from the U.S. Customs and Border Patrol:

http://www.cbp.gov/linkhandler/cgov/...itedstates.doc

This document was linked here:
http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/travel/id_visa/

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You may temporarily import an automobile, trailer, airplane, motorcycle, boat, or similar vehicle for the transportation of yourself, your family, and your guests. The vehicle must be free of soil and plant material.

Motor vehicles and motor vehicle equipment for personal use may be imported for up to one year. The vehicle must be imported in connection with your arrival, and it must be owned by you or on order before you depart from abroad.

A vehicle cannot be sold in the United States unless it complies with U.S. laws governing motor vehicles. The laws governing motor vehicle safety apply to all vehicles other than motorcycles if their date of entry into the United States is less than 25 years after the date of manufacture. Motor vehicle safety laws also apply to motorcycles manufactured after January 1, 1969.

Federal law also requires that motor vehicles beginning with the 1969 model year, and motorcycles manufactured after December 31, 1977, meet all air-pollution control standards. Finally, federal cost savings standards relating to imported vehicles must also be complied with. Nonresident visitors to the United States are exempt from the foregoing standards provided that the vehicle is imported for a period not to exceed one year and the vehicle is for personal use.

If you plan to emigrate to the United States and import your car permanently, or if you intend to sell your vehicle, please request a copy of the CBP pamphlet, Importing or Exporting a Car.
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He's not trying to import and register the car.
I defer to those that are quoting laws and websites. I cannot understand why this is not exploited by visiting students and others wanting non-compliant configurations. I have only seen grey cars with diplomatic plates since the crackdown in the late '70s early '80s.

Is there a bond posted to guarantee that the car leaves in a year?
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Ian, that sounds like a terrific idea!
And I'm sure I speak for most of us here when I say we'll assist in any way we can so long as it doesn't cost any money and you let us drive your car!


Tell us the schedule and we'll help figure out your route, what tracks / autocrosses to hit, and try to help out with living room floors to sleep on.
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I like the way you think. I can't see any reason why you wouldn't be able to do it - Go For It. That will be an awesome adventure.
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Glad we're past the car crushing stage. The shipping costs shouldn't be to prohibitive - I think about 1K for each side, give or take. I guess not many people do it because there’s no reason to do so - cheaper to buy a car in the States.

Robert, thanks for the off-line offer of full sponsorship - your modesty online is commendable OK it's a bit tongue and cheek regarding sponsors, I could do it on my own. Just figure maybe there's someone who see's some value in it. I can't think of a more noticeable way of drawing attention.

As far as the route goes, that will be decided by you lot! I haven't got a clue, which is why I'm asking for help. I'm sure a few of you would like to get the chance to drive the original Elise... I can almost imagine Stan going crazy with all his datalogging gear comparing G-forces and acceleration

Luckily it's Honda powered, would be a problem trying to get Rover parts for it I'll imagine.

So we have the Dragons tail so far in Tennessee.

I'll ring around a few shipping companies tomorrow to see how feasible it is. I'm thinking around 14 days to do the trip +-
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