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View Poll Results: Which is better? 2005 S2000 or 2005 Mazdaspeed Miata
Honda S2000 15 25.00%
Mazdaspeed Miata 5 8.33%
S2000, and I have driven one 15 25.00%
Miata, and I have driven one 3 5.00%
S2000, and I have driven BOTH 18 30.00%
Miata , and I have driven BOTH 4 6.67%
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post #1 of 16 (permalink) Old 10-15-2008, 09:05 AM Thread Starter
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2005 S2000 vs 2005 Mazda Speed Miata

Straight up, which car do you think is better? Which is more fun to drive, which is more reliable? Which has more upgrade potential? Which is best over all? and why?

Need a fun light hearted poll, too many gloomy, argument provoking ones recently.

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...i think the advantage to miatas in general is that they're dirt-cheap to maintain, and thus extremely well-suited to track use...

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NB turbo

More fun on the street
Slightly less reliable due to the turbo (if you modify it)
Good upgrade potential but not many aftermarket supports.


AP2

More fun on the track
Reliable, like a Honda should
Lots of aftermarket support.

Overall the AP2 is a better car, build from the same factory as the NSX. Developed by Gan San nuff said.

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light on the votes....hmmm come on guys!

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I voted S2000. NB Miatas are OK, but the NCs are much better

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I had a late NA(1995) Miata for 3 years. I also had a 1994 RX-7 and my family car is a Mazda MPV so Mazda has been in my family since 1990.

I've not driven a MazdaSpeed Miata nor a S2000.

But if I have to choose, my vote goes to S2000 based on comments from S2000 owners I know and from reviews.

IMHO, S2000 is more purist in its mission. Heck, I would take a S2000 over a 1st gen Boxster.
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Although I have not driven the turbo Miata, I did own 1999 and 2001 Miatas for a total of about 5 years. Based on the reports of friends whose opinions I trust, I would probably not like the Mazdaspeed turbo version as much as the regular non-turbo versions that I owned. I have had my 2005 S2000 for 3 years now, and I don't think I can go back to the NB Miata. The NC Miata, on the other hand...(silly Honda took out the soft top on the Club Race S2000).

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I think the NA Miata is very purist. The NB attempts to cure some of that 'problem' and IMO, makes for a good sports car, but nothing too thrilling. The power steering is over-boosted IMO. The NC takes it to a new level. Faster, handles better, just as nimble, and completely comfortable and refined. I cannot wait to own an NC


S2000 is, IMO, a bit outdated, but not nearly as outdated as the NB Miata, even Mazdaspeed version.

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I think the NA Miata is very purist. The NB attempts to cure some of that 'problem' and IMO, makes for a good sports car, but nothing too thrilling. The power steering is over-boosted IMO. The NC takes it to a new level. Faster, handles better, just as nimble, and completely comfortable and refined. I cannot wait to own an NC


S2000 is, IMO, a bit outdated, but not nearly as outdated as the NB Miata, even Mazdaspeed version.
Remember the NA miata ran 10 years before a style update too. Still today it is relished and sought after.

That said, Id love to see a redesigned s2000

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I think the NA Miata is very purist. The NB attempts to cure some of that 'problem' and IMO, makes for a good sports car, but nothing too thrilling. The power steering is over-boosted IMO. The NC takes it to a new level. Faster, handles better, just as nimble, and completely comfortable and refined. I cannot wait to own an NC


S2000 is, IMO, a bit outdated, but not nearly as outdated as the NB Miata, even Mazdaspeed version.
A stock NC is ages behind any year S2000 in terms of performance, but it's a stellar platform for building on. Mine (NC) has been tweaked extensively, and is close to an Elise/Exige in terms of laptimes. The current S2k CR is right up there too, and you're probably going to spend the same amount of money (roughly) on either of the three when all is said and done.

Difference is, the NC is now almost unusable on the street, whereas the S2K makes a fine street car.

All said, I prefer the feel of the NC on track over the S2K though. YMMV
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There's no doubt an NC is inferior performer to an S2000, but IMO, the S2000 isn't all that great of a performer, and as you've said, the NC is a better building platform. Certainly more fun!!!

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The best part of the S2K is the gearbox and its ratios. The gears are perfectly spaced. Each gear up drops from 8K revs to 6K revs, right at the opening of the variable valve system. Effortlessly.

I had a much harder time to do the same in the Elise. Also, to have the stick directly connected to the gearbox makes for the most direct shifting possible.

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One nice thing about the mazdaspeed miata is that you're going to be able to make more power very easily.

An intake, downpipe, and exhaust will get you up into the 200-220hp range, all for around $1300.

I've heard (and this may not 100% be the case), that it's a lot tougher to make good HP gains with the S2000 unless you go the FI route, and then that starts to get costly.

Really though, you can't go wrong. Both cars are great
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I've owned an NA Miata and an AP2 S2000. Obviously these cars are leagues apart but I found the Miata to be more tossable and fun-feeling whereas the S2000 was more of a "real" car and had WAY higher grip potential.

I vote S2000. It's an extremely well put together car.

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Although the newer ones are better, S2000s are tail happy; you have to be a very good driver to drive them fast. It's a lot easier to drive a Miata near its limits.

When I was at Buttonwillow a couple of weeks ago, there were 7 or 8 S2000s in HPDE 1 & 2 and I think all spun, many of them multiple times. Granted, these weren't experienced drivers but you can do a lot of damage on the way to becoming experienced.
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Although the newer ones are better, S2000s are tail happy; you have to be a very good driver to drive them fast. It's a lot easier to drive a Miata near its limits.

When I was at Buttonwillow a couple of weeks ago, there were 7 or 8 S2000s in HPDE 1 & 2 and I think all spun, many of them multiple times. Granted, these weren't experienced drivers but you can do a lot of damage on the way to becoming experienced.
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