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I don't think I can live with the giant depreciation in first 2 yrs....

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The All-New Aston Martin Vantage Squares Off against the Mercedes-AMG GT and Porsche 911 GT3

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...orsche-911-gt3

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Interesting review. I sat in a couple of these Friday. A picture can’t due that wide front stance justice. Nicely styles and made, well to my tastes. Did feel a bit cramped inside, not terrible but I guess ai am becoming accustomed to more roomy cars.

They have very clearly left a spot for the upcoming stick version.

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I am not interested in Porsches. We are awash, engulfed with them here.

I asked a friend if this made me a "snob".

He laughed and said that anyone who drove a Corolla couldn't possibly be one....

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I've seen but one new Vantage. Given the lease deals, now cheaper, I thought they were not selling.

Jay Emm wonders too:



The original lease deal was 3 yrs, $1800/mo. Now, 3 yrs @ $1675mo. 1st 3 months n/c. 0 down, 2500 miles/year.

Ah, but here's the rub:

"Purchase option at $165,864."

So, you pay about $60k on the lease in 3 yrs. Then, A-M wants to charge you list price (roughly) for used Vantage. That used Vantage, would probably be about $100k in the real world.

No thanks.

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Damn, these have gone up in price. WTF

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never read the older parts of this thread
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the daily driving video: If you cannot afford the depreciation, you cannot afford the car. Who picks up two people in a two seater? If you worry so much, plan your parking better[like not next to the carriage return]


Lease deals: You lease a car assuming you are going to walk into the dealer in three years and toss them the keys. The leasing company either auctions it or the dealer buys it from the leasing company. Either way they get current wholesale for the car. You are free to offer them whatever you wish, some leasing companies will entertain that, others will not.

In the best case, you lease a car you like, the value tanks[you don't care, you like the car] you buy it off lease for the fully depreciated value and can, potentially, save money. Usually it amounts to the interest you would have been paying on the full note.

Cheap lease deals are all predicated on inflated residual values that never pan out.
When I leased a new A4 20 years ago, it was a 26k car, 18k residual after 39 months, something like 340 a month. Actual auction values were about 12k. When I called to ask about buyout, there was literally no one there because the place was going out of business. Not a surprise when hundreds of Audis costing them 6k a pop to return
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Damn, these have gone up in price. WTF
The prices remain the same.

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never read the older parts of this thread
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the daily driving video: If you cannot afford the depreciation, you cannot afford the car. Who picks up two people in a two seater? If you worry so much, plan your parking better[like not next to the carriage return]


Lease deals: You lease a car assuming you are going to walk into the dealer in three years and toss them the keys. The leasing company either auctions it or the dealer buys it from the leasing company. Either way they get current wholesale for the car. You are free to offer them whatever you wish, some leasing companies will entertain that, others will not.

In the best case, you lease a car you like, the value tanks[you don't care, you like the car] you buy it off lease for the fully depreciated value and can, potentially, save money. Usually it amounts to the interest you would have been paying on the full note.

Cheap lease deals are all predicated on inflated residual values that never pan out.
When I leased a new A4 20 years ago, it was a 26k car, 18k residual after 39 months, something like 340 a month. Actual auction values were about 12k. When I called to ask about buyout, there was literally no one there because the place was going out of business. Not a surprise when hundreds of Audis costing them 6k a pop to return
Yes, the depreciation can kill the deal.

"The fully depreciated value" is not what the ad says they want. Don't know if that purchase price is/will be negotiable.

thanks.

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I would want something else by then anyway.
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X, I am not in that mode.

I restored the Elan and drove it for 20 yrs. Both my current cars are not current, 2005s.


How are you enjoying the LC and Bentley??

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Yes, the depreciation can kill the deal.

"The fully depreciated value" is not what the ad says they want. Don't know if that purchase price is/will be negotiable.

thanks.
The payments are based on a sales price minus a residual, interest etc.

A 'good' lease deal usually means an optimistic residual.

The purchase at end of lease price is set in the contract, it is not negotiable per se.

The idea is that the residual is set in the hopes that the resale will be high and they will make money in the end

If the actual value is low, the leasing company can be willing to listen.

Not the Dealer, the leasing company
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I know most of that.

Residuals on Jags, Lotus cars, A-Ms, etc tend to run very low. Seen the same with AMG sedans in some cases.

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