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acceleration comparison 1988 911 and Elise

Just trying to get an idea of what hard acceleration feels like in the elise. The closest thing to an Elise ive driven (I know still very differant) was a 1988 911 Carerra Targa and that thing moves. Can anyone give me a comparison between the two? The 88 911 is 210 hp and 190 torque and weighs just 2750 so on paper it looks to me like the Porsche might have a bit more. What do you think?
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gear ratios make a big difference. I can tell you the Elise is very quick from a dead stop to 70 mph, but dies off big time after that. From a rolling situation (like on the track out of a corner) the Elise is pretty weak. I would think the torque in the 911 would give it a lot more ooomph from a rolling start.

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Oh, so it's like a Boxster The 700 pound difference between the two car is pretty big.

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The acceleration in the Elise feels faster than it is. I drove a c6 corvette and by comparison, the c6 was much faster, but as I remember it, the elise was much more thrilling and felt faster.

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its actually an 800 lb differance. But although I'm pretty set on the Elise I think about getting an Exige so I can put the Super Chr. in it without ruining the waranty. The Elise is very limited as far as engine mods go.
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For what its worth, Road & Track 0-60 and 1/4 mile:
Elise - 4.7 13.4
'84 Carrera - 6.2 14.6

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I had a 911SC and a friend has a 1987 911 Carrera with some bolt ons. The 2750lb figure in the specs is a very optimistic figure for a 1988 911. I gutted my 1979 including lighter seats, lexan windows, fiberglass bumpers, and no heat or ac to get it to 2650lb wet. The Elise is quicker at pretty much any speed. The 911 might be quicker above 135 because it is a true 150mph car instead of 140. There is a big jump in performance and torque between the 3.2 and 3.6 964 cars but a stock 1988 Carrera would trail an Elise except in a top speed run.
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The elise is quicker and feels a heck of a lot tighter. The 88 911 shifts completely different than an 84 due to a different G50 tranny, considered the best tranny for the 911 series pre '89. The Elise should be a whole second quicker 0-60. I believe the 87-89 carreras went 0-60 in 5.5

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For what its worth, Road & Track 0-60 and 1/4 mile:
Elise - 4.7 13.4
'84 Carrera - 6.2 14.6
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I believe the 87-89 carreras went 0-60 in 5.5
Ok then, more '80s 911 times:
1981 Porsche 911 SC 6.7 N/A
1983 Porsche 911 SC Cabrio 7.0 15.5
1984 Porsche 911 Carrera 6.2 14.6
1986 Porsche 911 Cabriolet 5.7 14.3
1986 Porsche 911 Turbo 5.0 13.4
1989 Porsche 911 Cabriolet 6.5 15.0
1989 Porsche 911 Club Sport 5.7 14.3
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The acceleration in the Elise feels faster than it is. I drove a c6 corvette and by comparison, the c6 was much faster, but as I remember it, the elise was much more thrilling and felt faster.
Opposite for me. The only thing you feel is TORQUE and since the Elise doesn't have any then it feels slow. It's acceleration is hardly remarkable... it's probably the slowest "feeling" car I've owned in a long time.

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Opposite for me. The only thing you feel is TORQUE and since the Elise doesn't have any then it feels slow. It's acceleration is hardly remarkable... it's probably the slowest "feeling" car I've owned in a long time.

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I have test driven one and I remember it felt like a rocket. Perhaps this was a result of a guy who came from a 2006 325xi and a 2006 325ci convertible (slower-than-dirt)


I think that a big factor in making a car feel fast is the exhaust note...something the Elise does not lack, but it's not SOLELY exhaust otherwise every ricer would feel like a Ferrari.

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Opposite for me. The only thing you feel is TORQUE and since the Elise doesn't have any then it feels slow. It's acceleration is hardly remarkable... it's probably the slowest "feeling" car I've owned in a long time.

Go test drive one and find out
Plenty of torque in the Elise. More than remarkable .... amazing!

You can always get an Arizona hot rod, Greg. '32 deuce coupe with SOOOOO much torque.....yee haw.
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It's close. It's only a 1.5 second difference.

Seriously, the best way to find out how an Elise accelerations is to rent on from Enterprise or go on a test drive. Trying to comparing it with the fastest thing you've driven isn't really an accurate way to see how fast/or not the Elise is. If it was, my father's pickup truck hauls ass! A fat torque curve and short gearing can be very deceptive.

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It's close. It's only a 1.5 second difference.

Seriously, the best way to find out how an Elise accelerations is to rent on from Enterprise or go on a test drive. Trying to comparing it with the fastest thing you've driven isn't really an accurate way to see how fast/or not the Elise is. If it was, my father's pickup truck hauls ass! A fat torque curve and short gearing can be very deceptive.


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Hey Lateapex, where are you getting these vintage numbers from?

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Dave:

I owned and loved a 1989 targa 3.2
Great after 30mph, I would say 0-60 in 6.5

My 2005 elise, real driving (no crazy clutch dumps) about the same 0-60 time.
cornering unreal- you can't get in trouble in the else.

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I had a 1988 Carrera track car for 4 years before I bought the Elise. The Carrera was a stock 3.2 but with headers, exhaust, and lowered gears. I think (no real data) the Elise is quicker to maybe 75 after which the Porsche is better. I know that at the brake zone at the Glen, after the esses, the Carrera was around 127-130 mph (indicated) before the gearing and around 135 after, while the Elise can't exceed around 121 MPH (real), which is 125-130 indicated.
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The magazine 0-60 times are with the A048 tires with a 8000 rpm launch. My stock 05 with the AD07 tires and 3000 launch was 0-60 in 5.6s, 0-100 in 13.8s and the 1/4 in 14.2 @ 102 mph. Significantly slower than both Lotus and the magazines, but more real world, and no burnt clutch. Yes, above 110 mph the acceleration is somewhat pedestrian. It depends what you are used to.
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