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Cayman GT4

Hit and miss with the hard edged Cayman.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGVWojMMeg4

The mid engine cars have always been criticized for being underpowered for marketing reasons. The GT4 had the community excited to think that this was finally coming to an end. Well, marketing still has pull, apparently.

Lot's of GT suspension and a manual transmission. Great to see a stick, hopefully it means Porsche is hearing enough complaints about the GT3 that they're considering options (bad for my buddy who just took delivery of his GT3). But no GT engine, just a transplant from the Carrera S. That's disappointing.
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Motor Trend liked the GTS... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mooq7jpNk_g so the GT4 a higher-spec version?

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Motor Trend liked the GTS... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mooq7jpNk_g so the GT4 a higher-spec version?
more power higher price tag, yup... higher spec
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i find the porsche naming scheme confusing.
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While I know it's street legal obviously it's built as a track toy - for the same money I'd take the V6 Exige S all day long as we all know the experience of driving it will be far far superior to the Cayman GT4.

And yes Porsche can't name a car to save their life. GT3, GT2, GT4, GT3RS, S, 4S, C4S, etc. etc. Sorry, just not a Porsche guy at all, just don't get it.

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Finally looks like a proper car.

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Actually, their naming makes sense. They have way too many trim levels, but that's a different story.

In the sports cars, you have the three main models. The 911 Carrera, the Cayman, and the Boxster. Each are available in base, S, and GTS trim. On the 911 these can all be had in two or all-wheel drive (appending a 4 to the model name) and in coupe, cabrio, or targa body styles.

Then, there are a couple special versions. There's the 911 Turbo, which is only all-wheel drive and is their top of the line GT car. Their more track-focused somewhat stripped down drivers car versions take on the sports car race class naming structure of GT1 (which was a 911-based hyper car), GT2 (a turbocharged 911 variant), GT3 (a normally aspirated 911 variant, which has an even more extreme RS package available and a competition only RSR variant), and now the GT4 (Cayman based).
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While I know it's street legal obviously it's built as a track toy - for the same money I'd take the V6 Exige S all day long as we all know the experience of driving it will be far far superior to the Cayman GT4.

And yes Porsche can't name a car to save their life. GT3, GT2, GT4, GT3RS, S, 4S, C4S, etc. etc. Sorry, just not a Porsche guy at all, just don't get it.
I admire your brand loyalty.

There is a delicate line between the Lotus and Porsche philosophy.

I suspect a talented driver, such as yourself, would be surprised at the capabilities of this street legal car, (and you would be amazed how well the AC worked on the drive home from HPR).

I also suspect that this "street legal" model alone will out sell all of Lotus in the US and probably the world. This is something I hope Lotus takes note of. In the many "What should the next Lotus be", I always think to myself that if Lotus would focus on Porsche as one to compete with, and take sales away from, Lotus would be (financially) better off.

Not willing to trade my Elise, but the Cayman is a great piece of kit.

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it take that gayman rs-4 thingy in a heart beat! that is nice, finally! id never pay ~100k for it though....

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I always think to myself that if Lotus would focus on Porsche as one to compete with, and take sales away from, Lotus would be (financially) better off.

Not willing to trade my Elise, but the Cayman is a great piece of kit.
The Evora is that car.
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The Evora is that car.
I hope so. Now I am looking forward to Lotus Big Reveal at Geneva Show

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I hope so. Now I am looking forward to Lotus Big Reveal at Geneva Show
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I saw the Caymen and Boxster GT-4 at the Detroit auto show, yes they are nice cars but not worth $104k sticker price.

I have a 2002 base Boxster that I have owned for 3 years now. I only paid $9k for it, at that price the Boxster is a great deal but not $104k.
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I saw the Caymen and Boxster GT-4 at the Detroit auto show, yes they are nice cars but not worth $104k sticker price.

I have a 2002 base Boxster that I have owned for 3 years now. I only paid $9k for it, at that price the Boxster is a great deal but not $104k.
Could not agree more - for $100k there are MANY other cars I would rather have than this thing. Don't get me wrong it's nice to finally see Porsche make the Cayman what it should have been years ago - ie better than the 911 given the mid-engine. But for $100k I could get an amazing track car (many to chose from) AND a great street car AND a great truck/trailer to tow my track car...

I suppose this all comes down to our passions and honestly I have none for Porsche, but that's just me.

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I saw the Caymen and Boxster GT-4 at the Detroit auto show, yes they are nice cars but not worth $104k sticker price.

I have a 2002 base Boxster that I have owned for 3 years now. I only paid $9k for it, at that price the Boxster is a great deal but not $104k.
I had a 99 Boxster that I paid 12k for, and I have to tell ya, my 2005 Elise was not a "far, far, better car."
I thought the 2 cars were pretty close over all. The Elise was a little more focused, the P a better all around sports car.
Im sure Ill buy another one.

Buying them new is very pricey. Id love a brand new Boxster or Cayman, but I dont have that kind of jack lying about.

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I had a 99 Boxster that I paid 12k for, and I have to tell ya, my 2005 Elise was not a "far, far, better car."
I thought the 2 cars were pretty close over all. The Elise was a little more focused, the P a better all around sports car.
Im sure Ill buy another one.

Buying them new is very pricey. Id love a brand new Boxster or Cayman, but I dont have that kind of jack lying about.
I can't imagine they felt the same with that weight difference. I felt a big difference from a Miata to my Elise when driven back to back....very odd
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Porsches have always, always been expensive new all the way back to the beginning of the brand. The beauty of buying a used modern Porsche is the incredible depreciation. But new, the Boxsters/Caymans were always very expensive. My 2000 S was over $60k new. These cars drop in value at an impressive rate, especially the 97-07 cars with the M96/M97 engines and you end up with a screaming bargain on the used market if you can live with all the (mostly) little issues.

How much is the Evora S list?

The Cayman and Boxster have fantastic balance. 45/55 weight distribution and a relatively long wheelbase make them very forgiving and very easy to control. It's a great platform. I'm sure the GT4 will be a very fun car. But it's still not the car it could be with the non-GT engine, a slightly detuned version of the 911S even. They could have at least given it the 911GTS engine with 425HP.

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I had a 99 Boxster that I paid 12k for, and I have to tell ya, my 2005 Elise was not a "far, far, better car."
I thought the 2 cars were pretty close over all. The Elise was a little more focused, the P a better all around sports car.
Im sure Ill buy another one.

Buying them new is very pricey. Id love a brand new Boxster or Cayman, but I dont have that kind of jack lying about.
That depends on what you're looking for, I suppose. The Elise isn't a GT like the Boxster.
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Actually, their naming makes sense. They have way too many trim levels, but that's a different story.

In the sports cars, you have the three main models. The 911 Carrera, the Cayman, and the Boxster. Each are available in base, S, and GTS trim. On the 911 these can all be had in two or all-wheel drive (appending a 4 to the model name) and in coupe, cabrio, or targa body styles.

Then, there are a couple special versions. There's the 911 Turbo, which is only all-wheel drive and is their top of the line GT car. Their more track-focused somewhat stripped down drivers car versions take on the sports car race class naming structure of GT1 (which was a 911-based hyper car), GT2 (a turbocharged 911 variant), GT3 (a normally aspirated 911 variant, which has an even more extreme RS package available and a competition only RSR variant), and now the GT4 (Cayman based).
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I had a 99 Boxster that I paid 12k for, and I have to tell ya, my 2005 Elise was not a "far, far, better car."
I thought the 2 cars were pretty close over all. The Elise was a little more focused, the P a better all around sports car.
Im sure Ill buy another one.

Buying them new is very pricey. Id love a brand new Boxster or Cayman, but I dont have that kind of jack lying about.
You know, that is a bit of a hurdle for buying a new P-Car to me too. I have a 2000 Boxster that was may dad's last sports car before he passed away, which is similarly optioned to the one that I bought new in 2000. The new gen's have evolved for sure, but when I drive them I just come away feeling like it's not different enough to get me excited over the Boxster I have in the garage. That has kind of killed the entire P-Car range for me for the last decade or so.

I guess that points to how good the older cars are, and how many other interesting cars there are out there to experience.
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