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post #61 of 96 (permalink) Old 02-11-2015, 09:20 AM
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Odd, Jaguar's official Canadian website has the F-Type R starting at 110k. It's definitely comparable in price to the Evora S but still a lot cheaper than options you mentioned.

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Odd, Jaguar's official Canadian website has the F-Type R starting at 110k. It's definitely comparable in price to the Evora S but still a lot cheaper than options you mentioned.
You made me double checked! Convertible is 100k , Coupe is 110k indeed. That is for the R.

That leaves us at, after taxes, no option:
110k for a GT4
114k for an F-Type R convertible.
126k for an F-Type R coupe.

All I'm saying is that it's serious money for a Cayman.
Probably worth it, but there are many others cars, new, slightly used or well used that I would like to try before pulling the trigger on the GT4.
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There certainly are a lot of amazing options at that price point. I've been thinking a used V10 R8 would be absolutely epic (and it would be), but a car with an out of warranty Lamborghini V10 sounds intimidating, especially when I plan on tracking it. The best argument against the Porsche that hasn't been mentioned is the GTR but there is just something about the GT4 that is keeping me up at night that these other cars don't do for me. Add a warranty and European delivery,

The toughest part of all is comparing these cars to the Elise. It gives me and gets so many smiles, consumables are reasonable, maintenance is simple, and it's an absolute treat on the track. Oh, and it's less than a third of the price. At least I have some more time to think about it and there may be a way to have both.
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There is no F-Type R convertible for sale.... If there was it would be more expensive than the coupe, not less.

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There certainly are a lot of amazing options at that price point. I've been thinking a used V10 R8 would be absolutely epic (and it would be), but a car with an out of warranty Lamborghini V10 sounds intimidating, especially when I plan on tracking it. The best argument against the Porsche that hasn't been mentioned is the GTR but there is just something about the GT4 that is keeping me up at night that these other cars don't do for me. Add a warranty and European delivery,

The toughest part of all is comparing these cars to the Elise. It gives me and gets so many smiles, consumables are reasonable, maintenance is simple, and it's an absolute treat on the track. Oh, and it's less than a third of the price. At least I have some more time to think about it and there may be a way to have both.
The GTR is a whale in comparison to a Cayman and I'd never compare the 2. The GTR is a numbers monster and simply crushes everything but it feels like a boat and personally I don't like them at all.

I'm not sure if you have driven a Cayman but they are very nimble and a pleasure to drive. They feel very German which is a pro and con. The Elise will always be the go-kart and you simply can't beat that. I've never had a car that's more fun. However, if you have a few hour drive to a track day, the Cayman will get you there in comfort without your ears ringing where the Elise will make you think twice before embarking on the trip. I personally won't be getting the GT4 because I have the 991 GT3 but I expect this car will do very well since the Cayman R did fantastic and the 981 is a strong step forward over the previous generation.

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What if you were still in the market for the GT3? Any chance this would sway you for $45k or so less? I agree on the GTR personally but it is pretty much top dog in a lot of ways.
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There is no F-Type R convertible for sale.... If there was it would be more expensive than the coupe, not less.
Sure they don't...
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Jag updated their F-Type convertible V8 S to R, at the same time they introduced a 6MT and AWD options for the V6 S.
Power went from 495hp to the same 550hp found under the Coupe bonnet.

As far as pricing goes, so far the V8 convertible is 9k cheaper than the V8 Coupe on our side of the border.
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USA configurator lacks the coolest option, the Clubsport package available overseas.
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What if you were still in the market for the GT3? Any chance this would sway you for $45k or so less? I agree on the GTR personally but it is pretty much top dog in a lot of ways.
No it wouldn't. The GT3 is an amazing car and while rowing gears is fun, I find flappy paddles just as engaging with both hands on the steering wheel. The PDK-S is nothing like the PDK. I've owned both and if the GT3 had the PDK I'd be more interested in a manual.

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Yea, same issue with the GT3. October+ builds of the GT3 had the lightweight bucket seats added.

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blah...typical Porsche...by the time you configure the car with simple options, you're talking 100k...for a Cayman? No thanks.

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Only option I want are the lightweight bucket seats, which look awesome. 89k before taxes with European delivery, so coming up on 100k. I'm fine with people snubbing their noses at me because it's not a 911. This thing looks like it will be a hoot on the track. As fast as 997 GT3 by what they are claiming.
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$107K for me with performance items (sport chrono, bucket seats, ceramic brakes) and modern basic street car items (nav, xenons).
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1) Sport chrono on the GT4 is just a clock and track app. Doesn't do anything for performance of the car.
2) As for PCCB, depends if you care about weight or no brake dust. As it stands, the car comes standard with the GT3's steel brakes. Totally overkill already.
3) The car comes standard with xenons, but it's extra for the ones that swivel with the steering wheel.

As far as the Porsche world goes, I don't think it's priced too bad compared to the performance it offers. What's more interesting is perhaps trying to find a 997 GT3 Mk. I for similar money.

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I dig it.

I'd go for this over the PDK-only super techno 991 GT3.

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I was just done ordering a Cayman GTS when they announced the GT4, but decided it's not the way to go. I'm sure it will be very quick, like the Cayman R is very quick, but will be a rough time on the road.

I'm not sure what the pricing complaints are on these. A GTS with 340HP etc goes out the door at ~$77K if you lay off the cosmetic options and carbon brakes. What does the supercharged Evora that the local dealer was pushing at me run? And if I recall correctly, the later Exiges were well into the $60Ks new, and you could hit $70K if you tried really hard.

The 981 chassis is a heck of a ride. I drove one on a track the same day as I drove my Elise, and while they are different, they are not SO different, except the Cayman S I drove had LOTS more engine than my Elise. You don't have to go insane fast to have fun in either, but if you want to, you can. Works for me.

One of the posters above said exactly what I was thinking, that driving an Elise a couple of hours to a track is a bit of a chore. Honestly, I wanted something more day to day livable after 6 years with the Elise.

I suspect the GT4 will sell quickly and well. My local dealer told me they got 7 deposits the day it was announced.

Ross, I don't get you at all, man. You must have $80K in your Exige and you're going on about how you can get a track car, a truck and something else for $100k? Well, yeah, you can get a Turbo 944 or a race car Miata or a Formula Ford (more fun than any street car) for $15K any day. So what?

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https://www.youtube.com/embed/hrCsbfMJXQw

Interesting video from afterdrive. Pretty much sums up my thoughts on the GT4. At 24:52 they talk about what car they would buy instead of the GT4. Z4M Coupe, S2000?, 987.2 Cayman, 996 GT3. I was hoping they would say Elise/Exige. It seems like the clear option for best drivers car. Is the Elise/Exige a "replacement" for a GT4? Thoughts?
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Not a Porsche 'Guy'....but noticed a GT4 that had about 700 miles go for $140K on ebay. Seller said he had already turned down $30K over sticker.

now I remember why I'm not a Porsche guy.
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Porsche GT4 -- 2008 Exige

Have just installed the BOE black dash tune on my Exige and butt dyno says wow. If Sebring is dry this weekend, I will be able to compare before and after speeds into turns 1 and 17 although the ambient temp this week will be lower than last time.

As to the GT4, got some right seat time on the full Daytona road course this past weekend. Driver was outstanding as was the car -- on Michelin tires not Dunlops. 162 mph into turn 1, super braking (steel not PCCB), most curbs at Daytona are rumble strips and the car just glides over them. Handling is very composed and balanced -- a very good driver can exit turns with a very subtle 4-wheel drift. Only fault I could find during this brief intro is the gearing is excessively long but this was not a big issue at Daytona.

Would I choose one over the other? Not yet as I need some time with my new black dash tune on the Exige. It is pretty clear that the GT4 is a better dual purpose car and probably will not have the Corvettes on straights issue that our Lotus do. However, I now run DEs with CHIN and they deal with this issue head-on. Ultimately, after a few DEs with my more muscular Exige, I will evaluate the fun factor, costs of consumables, maintability, possibility of two for one trade (Exige plus tow vehicle and trailer vs GT4 only), turnover cost, etc., and make a choice between the two cars. Might have to keep my M100 Elan to handle golf clubs as the only way to carry them in both the GT4 and Exige is as the passenger.

Andy777 -- have you received your GT4 yet? If so, please add your experience to this thread.

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