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My neighbor has a Chrysler Crossfire and for some reason said he thinks he would beat me in a race.

I have an 05 stock Elise while his crossfire is the convertible non SRT-6 version.

He claims his driving skill would outclass mine and I would probably miss shifts and lose.

And all this was said behind my back.

Now, I shouldn't get riled up about it, but I CAN'T imagine how I could possible lose a race with a crossfire, unless my Elise broke down or it was over a 1/4 mile.

Of course I haven't had any track time, but I have been driving manual transmission daily for a few years, and have already put 1800 miles on the Elise since purchasing.

But after doing some googling I stumbled upon this page

and I totally bugged out about the comments such as the crossfire being the better looking car and more aesthetically pleasing. I am completely aware that its a crossfire forum, but I really don't see how anyone could find the crossfire more attractive than the Elise.

wow, I need to pop a benadryl and hit the sack


Crossfire specs from a Car and Driver review
Zero to 60 mph: 6.8 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 17.8 sec
Standing 1/4-mile: 15.1 sec
Top speed (drag limited): 150 mph

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C/DTEST RESULTS
ACCELERATION Seconds
Zero to 30 mph . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .2.1
40 mph . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .3.5
50 mph . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .4.7
60 mph . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .6.5
70 mph . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .8.2
80 mph . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .10.2
90 mph . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .13.1
100 mph . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .16.1
110 mph . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .19.8
120 mph . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .25.5
130 mph . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .32.2
Street start, 5–60 mph . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .6.9
Top-gear acceleration, 30–50 mph . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .10.2
50–70 mph . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .9.5
Standing 1/4-mile . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .14.8 sec @ 96 mph
Top speed (drag limited) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .151 mph
BRAKING
70–0 mph @ impending lockup . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .161 ft
Fade . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .none light moderate heavy
HANDLING
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .0.91 g
Understeer . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .minimal moderate excessive


Lotus Elise specs from 2007 model Car and Driver review
Zero to 60 mph: 4.8 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 13.1 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 29.7 sec
Street start, 5-60 mph: 5.8 sec
Standing ,ΒΌ-mile: 13.6 sec @ 102 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 162 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 1.00 g

Lotus Elise '05 Graphite Grey; Miles: 41,xxx

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Well, I suppose if you missed enough shifts a Chevy Spark would hand you a loss


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When one's ego is tied into choice of vehicle, such things tend to occur.
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High school mentality. Why bother spending time on it?

Hmm, why am I wasting my time commenting on it?
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My neighbor has a Chrysler Crossfire and for some reason said he thinks he would beat me in a race.
Suggest your neighbor should quit smoking crack. Crossfire vs Elise on a track is an extreme mismatch. Tell him you'd be happy to do the comparison, with the loser paying the winner's track fees. He will suddenly be busy on every date you can suggest hitting the track.
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Unless you really suck at driving, a Crossfire should never show you it's rear.

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Suggest your neighbor should quit smoking crack. Crossfire vs Elise on a track is an extreme mismatch. Tell him you'd be happy to do the comparison, with the loser paying the winner's track fees. He will suddenly be busy on every date you can suggest hitting the track.
Lol. Great idea!


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He probably meant the crossfire vs elise on a flatbed trailer. That is the only way he could win.. That or you just not starting up.
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I owned a Crossfire right before I bought my first Elise.

Well, of course the nature of 'the race' has a lot to do with things. A well driven Crossfire can stay ahead of a poorly/mediocrely driven Elise. But that can be said about a lot of cars.

You say you have no track time at all. IF the guy with the Crossfire is a veteran of HPDE days and has some skills, yes, he could very well get around the track faster than you in your Elise. In fact I'd bet on it. If he is equally inexperienced, then it would boil down to who is the least inexperienced. The Elise would give you a leg up, but that's all.

The Elise handles like nothing else, but you still have to drive it. And it can bite you if you don't know what you're doing.

Like most sports cars, the Crossfire feels like a Conestoga Wagon after driving an Elise. So driving dynamics and overall handling the Elise is superior.

That said, don't sell the Crossfire TOO short. In most magazine comparos of the time, in handling and road holding the Crossfire compared favorably with the RX8, 350Z and even held its own against the S2000. It is basically an earlier gen SLK Mercedes under the body (many of the interior parts are interchangeable with the merc), with a few CLK suspension bits thrown in. It was cited by R & T to feel like it was 'carved out of a single block of aluminum' in terms of rigidity, which your friend's convertible likely cannot claim.

It's ONE problem with handling was steering feel. It used Mercedes' recirculating ball steering instead of rack and pinion.

Part of its handling prowess was attributed to it's stock, big and very sticky Michelin Pilot Sports it came standard with.

It's biggest knock was being underpowered, sound familiar?

But to the point, all things being equal driver wise, you wouldn't 'lose' to a Crossfire. You'd have to work harder to keep your revs up, though. If he actually knows what he's doing and has some meaningful track time under his seatbelt, you'd have a tought time keeping up with him, based on your total lack of track experience.

As far as looks, I LOVE 2/3rds of the Crossfire Coupe's looks. From the A pillar back. I prefer the Crossfire coupe A pillar back, looks wise, to either the Elise or the Exige. I don't care for the strakes on the hood, or the front end treatment of the Crossfire.

And I don't care at all for the convertibles looks. The Coupe's rear end reminds me a bit of the Bill Thomas Cheetah racing car.

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Here is my car yesterday on Autoclub speedway. Have him watch this video and he'll change his mind about racing you.


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Here is my car yesterday on Autoclub speedway. Have him watch this video and he'll change his mind about racing you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnW9eV4LRcY
That's YOU driving on a track, you have track time. The OP has none at all. If the neighbor DOES have track time, the OP doesn't, no, your video won't change his mind. Nor should it.

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A non-SRT6 version..you should be fine
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Just remember; in a race you cant make up time, only loose it.

Keep you head in the game, drive the car at 8/10's (which still gives you a good cushion of performance), and let the car do the work. No reason to hurry on anything inside the car.

Apexes are a lot like relationships. So tough to get right, so easy to see where they went wrong.

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Invite him to an autocross or 1/4 mile to find out. To measure is to know. There is a decent chance he will win because a boon race is a driver's race.

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my neighbor has no track time either. He has had that car since 07, so he has had a lot more experience with his car than I have had in mine.

I am guessing I havent pushed the elise to more than 80% yet on the curviest roads around my area

the curves there are rated between 30-45 and I have pushed 55-70 easily outpacing the few cars that have tried to keep up with me (turbo'd 90's eclipse, audi a4, 2005ish porsche boxter)

And agreed, there is no way he would actually ante up, but loves to defeat people with his mind, being a lawyer and all. I was just badly surprised he would have said something like that

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lotusforsale : That was my first time ever on a track. Vince the guy next to me was my instructor.
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Please do yourself and everybody the favor of not participating in any sort of race on public streets. There are all kind of fun legal venues for this sort of stuff.

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I would not call anything I do racing. I may let the car breathe once in a while, but rarely do I go over normal cruising speed following traffic. This short stretch is not really racing. I am learning the corners very slowly and sometimes people try to keep up. they fail.

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lotusforsale : That was my first time ever on a track. Vince the guy next to me was my instructor.
Looks like you were having a good time!

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