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What "ego" could one possibly hang on a Chrysler product? Its like going to a Wrist Watch convention with a K-Mart Armitron and thinking you are going to "show up" the guys with Tag Heuers or Rolexes. Right.


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What "ego" could one possibly hang on a Chrysler product? Its like going to a Wrist Watch convention with a K-Mart Armitron and thinking you are going to "show up" the guys with Tag Heuers or Rolexes. Right.

Well, if you can stop rolling on the floor laughing long enough, you might realize that the Crossfire's only Chrysler part is the badge. The engine, chassis, suspension, transmission, suspension, electronics all Mercedes. Most of the interior parts were interchangeable with the previous generation SLK. The body was built in Germany under contract, I believe by Karmann. The whole car was assembled in Germany. So yes, it's technically a Chrysler.

But I guess you could call the Lotus a Proton

And your older esprit has more than a few bits in it from the old British Leyland parts bins, for example the interior door handles were used in just about every British Leyland car made in the 60's and 70's.


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But I guess you could call the Lotus a Proton


You can also call a Ferrari and Maserati a Fiat. Or a Porsche a Volkswagon. Or a Lamborghini a Audi (also a Volkswagon). You could also call a "Smart" car a Mercedes-Benz. Point being, it is all relative.

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Well, if you can stop rolling on the floor laughing long enough, you might realize that the Crossfire's only Chrysler part is the badge. The engine, chassis, suspension, transmission, suspension, electronics all Mercedes. Most of the interior parts were interchangeable with the previous generation SLK. The body was built in Germany under contract, I believe by Karmann. The whole car was assembled in Germany. So yes, it's technically a Chrysler.

But I guess you could call the Lotus a Proton

And your older esprit has more than a few bits in it from the old British Leyland parts bins, for example the interior door handles were used in just about every British Leyland car made in the 60's and 70's.

lol.

I remember some years ago a friend of my dad's was telling me how he was so sick of his Mercedes always being in the shop, high repair bills, their nonchalant attitude, etc.....He was a long time M/B owner several times over. He said he was done with M/B for good.....Anyway, I asked him what he wound up buying and he said he bought the Crossfire.
I kinda raised one eyebrow and tilted my head as I looked at him trying to decide if he was pulling my d!ck or what.
I still dont know if he knew a Crossfire is basically an M/B.

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What "ego" could one possibly hang on a Chrysler product? Its like going to a Wrist Watch convention with a K-Mart Armitron and thinking you are going to "show up" the guys with Tag Heuers or Rolexes. Right.

Or like us Lotus guys rocking our Tag Heuers and the 458 guys rocking their Chopards or Panerais.

Or the 458 Panerai guys showing up to Pebble Beach by the guy buying the '63 250GTO and rocking a Patek or a Richard Mille Tourbillion!

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Well, if you can stop rolling on the floor laughing long enough, you might realize that the Crossfire's only Chrysler part is the badge. The engine, chassis, suspension, transmission, suspension, electronics all Mercedes. Most of the interior parts were interchangeable with the previous generation SLK. The body was built in Germany under contract, I believe by Karmann. The whole car was assembled in Germany. So yes, it's technically a Chrysler.

But I guess you could call the Lotus a Proton

And your older esprit has more than a few bits in it from the old British Leyland parts bins, for example the interior door handles were used in just about every British Leyland car made in the 60's and 70's.

Yeah, but.....

It wasn't badged as and sold as a Merc it was sold as a Chrysler.

Not judging that - just sayin'

And I don't see many of them, but when I do, it's usually women over the age of 50 driving them. Whatever that means.

That being said, I've always contended that the Crossfire would have been a BIG hit if they badged it an MB. Change the front clip/grill to look more the in SLK vibe and make it some sort of SLK variant they did with that C class hatchback thingie.
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Yeah, but.....

It wasn't badged as and sold as a Merc it was sold as a Chrysler.

Not judging that - just sayin'

And I don't see many of them, but when I do, it's usually women over the age of 50 driving them. Whatever that means.

That being said, I've always contended that the Crossfire would have been a BIG hit if they badged it an MB. Change the front clip/grill to look more the in SLK vibe and make it some sort of SLK variant they did with that C class hatchback thingie.
The badge, huh?

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The badge, huh?
Reminds me of the old story where Lee Iaccoca was talking about the difference between a Mitsubishi Starion and Dodge Conquest. They were the same car with different badges and slightly different taillights, etc. Built in the same plant on the same production line by the same employees from the same parts. But the Japanese car was perceived by the public as a much better car: it sold for thousands more and was rated as more reliable, even though there was no difference. Except the badge.

Which car was more reliable? Toyota Corolla or Geo Prizm? Consumer Reports said the Toyota. Of course, they were the same car, built on the same production line, by the same people. Obviously, the vehicle with the Toyota badge is better! But Consumer Reports data comes from the public. It's self-reported. The public believes the Toyota is superior, the public believes Geo (GM) is junk, therefore it is. The badge was the most important part of the car as far as perceived value goes.

Perception is king. American car marques lost the perception war in the 70's and never got it back.

Years ago I had a Pontiac Grand Am. I bought it the same month as a co-worker bought his Toyota. The Pontiac got Consumer Report's lowest reliability rating, the Toyota among the highest. Every month, my co-worker had me pick him up at the dealer while he had them fix something. He never had to do the same for me. And he truly, honestly believed his car was more reliable than mine, even though the empirical data was obviously in my favor. He knew, like everybody knows, Toyota makes a better car. The Grand Am is junk, the Toyota is the best car available. It didn't matter that I could drive my car every day, every month, while his was in the shop at least a day a month. I was nuts to even suggest my car was more reliable than his. GM lost the propaganda war to Toyota and has never recovered.

I own a 1999 Chrysler 300M. I bought it new, had to special order it to get the equipment I wanted. It's by far the best all-around car I've owned and I can't imagine any other car I could have bought back then that would have been better. It's reliable, comfortable, and more economical than you'd believe. But it gets no love - "ew, it's a Chrysler!" I've put about 155,000 miles on it and it's never once left me stranded. It doesn't leak any fluids and I've only had to do one mechanical repair that's not regular maintenance as outlined in the manual. It'll do 145mph and handles quite well. (I say "She moves well for a fat chick"). I have big wheels and tires on her, as well as Eibach springs.

And I have had it on the track. I'll go out on a limb here and say it will outrun a Crossfire :-)
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Reminds me of the old story where Lee Iaccoca was talking about the difference between a Mitsubishi Starion and Dodge Conquest. They were the same car with different badges and slightly different taillights, etc. Built in the same plant on the same production line by the same employees from the same parts. But the Japanese car was perceived by the public as a much better car: it sold for thousands more and was rated as more reliable, even though there was no difference. Except the badge.

Which car was more reliable? Toyota Corolla or Geo Prizm? Consumer Reports said the Toyota. Of course, they were the same car, built on the same production line, by the same people. Obviously, the vehicle with the Toyota badge is better! But Consumer Reports data comes from the public. It's self-reported. The public believes the Toyota is superior, the public believes Geo (GM) is junk, therefore it is. The badge was the most important part of the car as far as perceived value goes.

Perception is king. American car marques lost the perception war in the 70's and never got it back.

Years ago I had a Pontiac Grand Am. I bought it the same month as a co-worker bought his Toyota. The Pontiac got Consumer Report's lowest reliability rating, the Toyota among the highest. Every month, my co-worker had me pick him up at the dealer while he had them fix something. He never had to do the same for me. And he truly, honestly believed his car was more reliable than mine, even though the empirical data was obviously in my favor. He knew, like everybody knows, Toyota makes a better car. The Grand Am is junk, the Toyota is the best car available. It didn't matter that I could drive my car every day, every month, while his was in the shop at least a day a month. I was nuts to even suggest my car was more reliable than his. GM lost the propaganda war to Toyota and has never recovered.

I own a 1999 Chrysler 300M. I bought it new, had to special order it to get the equipment I wanted. It's by far the best all-around car I've owned and I can't imagine any other car I could have bought back then that would have been better. It's reliable, comfortable, and more economical than you'd believe. But it gets no love - "ew, it's a Chrysler!" I've put about 155,000 miles on it and it's never once left me stranded. It doesn't leak any fluids and I've only had to do one mechanical repair that's not regular maintenance as outlined in the manual. It'll do 145mph and handles quite well. (I say "She moves well for a fat chick"). I have big wheels and tires on her, as well as Eibach springs.

And I have had it on the track. I'll go out on a limb here and say it will outrun a Crossfire :-)
Are you an unsigned rapper or a storefront 'urban' pastor? Because that's who I see driving 300s.

Sorry man, had to do it!

Back to the Crossfire - Mike, yes, the badge. A Merc carries more panache than a Chrylser. If the Crossfire was badged a Merc it would carry more panache - that's the just the reality of it.

I think we are going to see this more often with the VW and Alfa models. A Cayenne carries more mojo than a Toureg. Basically same car.

And isn't that new Bentley SUV going to be on top of an Audi Q7?

Hell, a Navigator (the popular baller SUV in the early 00's) was a dressed up Expedition. Escalade is a dressed up Suburban.

And Lexus' best selling car - the ES - is a dressed up Camry. Lexus carries more panache than Camry.

Cmon man, you get that!
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you may be thinking of the 300C. The 300M i don't believe had quite the same following. it always reminded me of a concorde with a recessed back.

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Are you an unsigned rapper or a storefront 'urban' pastor? Because that's who I see driving 300s.

Sorry man, had to do it!

Back to the Crossfire - Mike, yes, the badge. A Merc carries more panache than a Chrylser. If the Crossfire was badged a Merc it would carry more panache - that's the just the reality of it.

I think we are going to see this more often with the VW and Alfa models. A Cayenne carries more mojo than a Toureg. Basically same car.

And isn't that new Bentley SUV going to be on top of an Audi Q7?

Hell, a Navigator (the popular baller SUV in the early 00's) was a dressed up Expedition. Escalade is a dressed up Suburban.

And Lexus' best selling car - the ES - is a dressed up Camry. Lexus carries more panache than Camry.

Cmon man, you get that!

No the biggest problem with the Crossfire was that when new, it was built on the OLD Mercedes SLK platform, not even the newest SLK at the time!

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^^ those pics are actually pretty funny!

I always liked the look of the Crossfire. So, I bought a brand new 2005 Crossfire as a toy at the beginning of 2007. It wasn’t the piece of crap most think it was. Mine only went back to the shop once and that was for a recall. It wasn’t the fastest but it wasn’t a pig either and it actually handled pretty darn good. I de-badged it and I got almost as many “who makes that” as my Lotus.


Best part…I paid $22,000 for a brand new car that most people thought went for over $50k.
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Are you an unsigned rapper or a storefront 'urban' pastor? Because that's who I see driving 300s.

Sorry man, had to do it!

Back to the Crossfire - Mike, yes, the badge. A Merc carries more panache than a Chrylser. If the Crossfire was badged a Merc it would carry more panache - that's the just the reality of it.

I think we are going to see this more often with the VW and Alfa models. A Cayenne carries more mojo than a Toureg. Basically same car.

And isn't that new Bentley SUV going to be on top of an Audi Q7?

Hell, a Navigator (the popular baller SUV in the early 00's) was a dressed up Expedition. Escalade is a dressed up Suburban.

And Lexus' best selling car - the ES - is a dressed up Camry. Lexus carries more panache than Camry.

Cmon man, you get that!
I am well aware of all the points you make, im not even disagreeing with you per se.
Just that its a crappy car because its a Chrysler but if you put a M/B emblem on it all of a sudden its a good car?
I recognized its a good car regardless of the emblem, you are kind of glamoured by emblems.

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I am well aware of all the points you make, im not even disagreeing with you per se.
Just that its a crappy car because its a Chrysler but if you put a M/B emblem on it all of a sudden its a good car?
I recognized its a good car regardless of the emblem, you are kind of glamoured by emblems.

On the contrary, it may very well be a great car. Just saying that the MB emblem carries more panache and as such, it would have been a better selling car if it had a) a more 'MB' like front clip, ala the SLK Kompressor and b) was badged MB. The Crossfire came and went without a wimper. At the time, my wife drove a Chrysler Pacifica which spent a TON of time in the shop (I even contacted an attorney for 'lemon law'). As such, being in that dealership in Elmhurst so much, I got to peruse a black Crossfire multiple times. Always thought it was a cool car and even then, thought it should have been a Benz.

BTW, the Pacifica lasted about 3 months with us before I launched it.

That's all.

I've had all manner of cars. For example, I had a BMW X5 which was just 'whatever' to me. Also, in college, I had a Honda CRX Si, which was probably one the best cars I've owned.

My wife drove a loaded Honda Odyssey minivan for the first 3 years of our twins' lives. Will no panache and a pedestrian boring car, it might be one of the best cars we've ever owned. Insanely reliable and ridiculously practical. Frankly, a minivan might be the most 'purpose built' vehicle around....even more so than the little plastic cars!
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Wow, I do see it now.

But let's be honest, Clarkson hates all American cars. He calls all Americans 'fat', whilst sporting quite the beer belly himself!

Yes, there are some wonderful cars to come out of England, but many of their 'pedestrian' cars are anything but exciting. I'm I supposed to be excited about anything produced by Vauxhaul?
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Wow, I do see it now.

But let's be honest, Clarkson hates all American cars. He calls all Americans 'fat', whilst sporting quite the beer belly himself!

Yes, there are some wonderful cars to come out of England, but many of their 'pedestrian' cars are anything but exciting. I'm I supposed to be excited about anything produced by Vauxhaul?
Yes, hes very biased and at times he has outright lied or was misinformed about certain "facts" relating to certain vehicles to cast them in a negative light. (American vehicles)

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On the contrary, it may very well be a great car. Just saying that the MB emblem carries more panache and as such, it would have been a better selling car if it had a) a more 'MB' like front clip, ala the SLK Kompressor and b) was badged MB. The Crossfire came and went without a wimper. At the time, my wife drove a Chrysler Pacifica which spent a TON of time in the shop (I even contacted an attorney for 'lemon law'). As such, being in that dealership in Elmhurst so much, I got to peruse a black Crossfire multiple times. Always thought it was a cool car and even then, thought it should have been a Benz.

BTW, the Pacifica lasted about 3 months with us before I launched it.

That's all.

I've had all manner of cars. For example, I had a BMW X5 which was just 'whatever' to me. Also, in college, I had a Honda CRX Si, which was probably one the best cars I've owned.

My wife drove a loaded Honda Odyssey minivan for the first 3 years of our twins' lives. Will no panache and a pedestrian boring car, it might be one of the best cars we've ever owned. Insanely reliable and ridiculously practical. Frankly, a minivan might be the most 'purpose built' vehicle around....even more so than the little plastic cars!
Well sure it would have sold better with an M/B badge, what wouldn't? (Given a certain price point)

The x5 is nice, the CRX isn't for me.
My wife also had an Odyssey and I would agree that it is a great vehicle. We had the factory nav in it so that was cool I guess. We loved that vehicle.

When the Crossfire came out Chrysler/Dodge was battling QC issues which didn't help them sell anything, let alone the crossfire. I contend their problem was mainly poor QC perception (or real), and lackluster marketing efforts.

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