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Defender 90

Kudos to Land Rover on the new Defender 90, a very well-kitted and purposeful industrial design 2 door coupe with a turbocharged 2 liter 4 (Ford EcoBoost?) for under $50K.
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This has been missed and needed forever. I wonder if it sticks with the original and teaches you how to shift on every gear change.

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Love it. Very tempting.

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Looks very similar to the LR2 and LR3. I prefer the original still. Looked way more rugged than the new mall crawler style.

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For the DIY guys, here's Defender 90 you can build at home.
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Not Ford Ecoboost powered.
JLR have moved away from Ford drivetrain sourcing. I4 & I6 engines (petrol & diesel) are JLRs own, built in the UK. This started years ago before the new Defender.
In future V8's will be sourced from BMW & they have further drivetrain ventures planned with BMW inc electric.

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Looks very similar to the LR2 and LR3. I prefer the original still. Looked way more rugged than the new mall crawler style.
I concur the Land Rovers that SAS chose to use in the North Afrika campaign is iconic, a Bren gun would look out of place atop the newest more urbane version.
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To me, LR is saying "We want a premium for selling you a miserably unreliable vehicle. You buy on looks and will feel the pain."
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To me, LR is saying "We want a premium for selling you a miserably unreliable vehicle. You buy on looks and will feel the pain."
I've never heard a RR owner tell anyone to buy one. Everyone tells me to stay away.
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I've never heard a RR owner tell anyone to buy one. Everyone tells me to stay away.
Very true and very funny. Thx.

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To me, LR is saying "We want a premium for selling you a miserably unreliable vehicle. You buy on looks and will feel the pain."
That was true of the 1990s Disco I had, but my 2012 Evoque with the Ford turbo 4 has been very good except for a bad transfer case at 45K miles. But if LR is going back to using their own drivetrains all bets are off and treat it like a BMW, only keep the car while under warranty.
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Is this body on frame or is it basically a car underneath?

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Is this body on frame or is it basically a car underneath?
It's built like any new car stamped out of metal, not the old ladder frame.

"This Defender, like its Range Rover cousins, is now an aluminum monocoque chassis, something that Land Rover says is three times stiffer than anything else the brand has built until now."

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That was true of the 1990s Disco I had, but my 2012 Evoque with the Ford turbo 4 has been very good except for a bad transfer case at 45K miles. But if LR is going back to using their own drivetrains all bets are off and treat it like a BMW, only keep the car while under warranty.
Uh, that seems like a petty big exception. Was it at least under warranty??

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Uh, that seems like a petty big exception. Was it at least under warranty??
Yes, the Disco transfer case was replaced under warranty, that's why I didn't buy another LR product for over a decade.
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"This Defender, like its Range Rover cousins, is now an aluminum monocoque chassis, something that Land Rover says is three times stiffer than anything else the brand has built until now."
Translation: It's a square car, not an offroad vehicle, as if you couldn't already tell. The stiffer you make the body/frame, the more suspension compliance you need to maintain contact over uneven terrain. There's a reason real trail buggies are floppy disasters with awful on-road handling, but they creep over rocks, crevices, and stumps with great aplomb.
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I remember when my ex-girlfriend's husband (a great friend of mine) bought her some Rover vehicle in the 90s.

He was an anglophile.

I looked at reviews, crash tests, frequency of repair data, etc.

I can't find that poem now....

but I do know it contained a rhyme about being skittish about buying British. I liked that line.

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I remember when my ex-girlfriend's husband (a great friend of mine) bought her some Rover vehicle in the 90s.

He was an anglophile.

I looked at reviews, crash tests, frequency of repair data, etc.

I can't find that poem now....

but I do know it contained a rhyme about being skittish about buying British. I liked that line.

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Her car and her husband's Jaguar were in the shop so often that I seemed to always do the driving. Which was OK.
Sounds like a limerick variation on the Fiat acronym.

As I've always had a healthy fear of the prince of darkness, and if Lotus didn't put a Toyota motor in its cars I would have never bought one - or two.
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Yes, reluctance was quickly overcome with Toyota/Yamaha.

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I concur the Land Rovers that SAS chose to use in the North Afrika campaign is iconic, a Bren gun would look out of place atop the newest more urbane version.
A Defender that can not be rebuilt in the Serengeti or the back 40 with a hearth, an anvil and a hammer.

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