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FORD integrates WAZE!

https://www.theverge.com/2018/1/10/1...nment-ces-2018

So why is this relevant to our Lotus?

I don’t want to talk to law enforcement or be in stopped traffic with my manual trans.

It has been typically dumb that autumakers have not embraced the most popular navigation system on earth. It seemed more reasonable to them to develop their own nav systems and charge $1000 or more. Giving their customers second rate nav, at best, for the premium price.

WAZE is very widely used. Any time I hit the road and much traffic is out there is relevant info about the conditions. Traffic and accidents and law enforcement. A few times it has alerted me to a speed trap when my Escort radar deterctor did not until we were in the crosshairs for a certain ticket.

Surely this will be adapted by others as Carplay and Android Auto have been.

Were it not so serious, it would be comical how the automakers have forced the public to juggle their phones while driving. In the name of safety. Geezzz.

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I wish Canadians use Waze more often. The info (or lack of) about accidents and law enforcement is not always reliable. I thought Google bought Waze a while ago...would be great to have one integrated do-it-all app embedded in our cars one day.

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Off the top of my head, I believe Google did buy Waze a few years ago. I think they share traffic data, but I'm not positive.

I really want to love Waze, but across different versions and different phones, it's pretty buggy - too many crashes - and it drives me up the wall that it still doesn't support Android Wear. I usually end up using Google Maps since I can just glance at my wrist to see an upcoming turn; much easier and safer than trying to look at a screen on a phone that's bouncing around on a passenger seat if I'm either in an unfamiliar car (like a company car) or just don't have a phone holder handy. It's especially galling being a Google-owned product that doesn't properly support their own systems.

For long trips, I usually end up using it anyway for its various alerts, and usually have to restart it at some point during the trip after it's crashed.

I don't have it yet, but I think if I were buying a new car today, it'd have to have Android Auto. It's standard in the 2018 BRZ... hmmm...

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No Waze!

That's awesome.

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Chevy will borrow another idea from Ford in 3...2...1...

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Escort Live used to use Waze speed camera info but when Google bought them, the interconnection was cancelled. BooHoo.

Groucho, you don't need to LOOK at the WAZE display to use it, just turn off the screen and listen. Don't know about Android, but on my iPhone I get NO crashes, and I can listen to 'celebrity voices' like Mr T or Santa Claus.

I hear that both Android Auto and Apple Carplay are somewhat buggy at present.

Lovedriving, I agree the hazard/cop info can be error-prone or missing, even on heavily traveled Interstates. It is useless on the secondary roads that we love with our Lotus cars. You STILL need a good radar detector.

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Carbuff you are correct about the secondary roads. It has been a long time since I have used a radar detector. What would y'all recommend? Thanks Lonnie
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So now I need a data connection to my car? Ugh.

The obstacle/speed trap/police reported ahead information in Waze is only as good as the community using it. If you see something and don't enter it, the people behind you won't get warned.

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You can wile away many hours on the Radar Detector Forum https://www.rdforum.org/ selecting a useful detector. Their mandatory First Post gives you a chance to receive advice. Many members compare detectors and post videos of 'encounters'.

Selection depends on cost, where you are, what frequencies the locals use, your tolerance to modern Blind Spot Monitoring systems, and your commitment to 'countermeasures'. EG, will you use a mirror mount or suction cups? Some have gone so far as to use Apps with dedicated GPS smartphones to perfect their resistance to getting pulled over....

The current favs for most, are the Valentine One and the Uniden R3...but that could change with the Consumer Electronics Show at any time...GRIN


EDIT: I see that there is a WAZE sub forum on RDF...talks a LOT about Android phones
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Atwell, you can listen - if you can hear it! Doesn't always work so well in a topless Lotus. It also gets funky if you're playing audio from the phone, and a little bit of spoken navigation goes a long way; I don't need constant chatter. I usually have the sound turned all the way off whether using factory nav, TomTom, mobile device, whatever. The Android Wear functionality is really cool because you can get a vibration when you're coming up to a turn. I also want to be able to look at a glance to see how long before the next turn; the voice alerts generally won't do that except at specific intervals.

The Waze crashing is really annoying. I actually haven't really used it at all with my latest phone, but on my last phone - a Nexus 6, so a close to pure Android as you can get - it would just randomly shut down sometimes on long trips. Older versions would have weird crashes. No problems whatsoever with Google Maps on any of my devices; the fact that Waze is Google-owned makes it especially galling. The login is screwy too; I have an actual account with a username and all that works on the web, but often the mobile will only let me log in with the phone number... it's just not all that refined. I do like that it has speed and speed limits; both missing on Google Maps.

I've occasionally tried Nokia's "Here" a few times, too, but that really is a bug-filled mess last I tried; it often won't even open.

I've hemmed and hawed about getting a modern radar detector and my conclusion in the past few years is that it's just not worth it, even the best just isn't good enough - nothing is a license to speed. Nor should it be! I have trained myself pretty well to very rarely go more than 10 over the limit and haven't gotten pulled over in years, and I always try to live by the axiom, "don't drive like a dick" - in other words, I don't do things that'd piss me off if someone else did them to me - go do a track day if you want to really drive fast. The "blind spot monitoring" problem with radar detectors is a real one, too, and probably insurmountable.

Anyway, a really good radar detector is $400-500 and there's no guarantee you won't get a speeding ticket - you can just drive reasonably carefully and you can even rack up a ticket or two for less than the radar detector will cost.

Back on topic - I don't have a Ford, but I've played a little with the Sync in my parent's Escape, and to call it clunky is a compliment - without spending real time on it, it looks to me like a really bizarre system. But then, the system in my wife's Mini is wacky, too, so maybe it's an industry-wide syndrome.

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Atwell, you can listen - if you can hear it! Doesn't always work so well in a topless Lotus.
Granted. I guess that's why Tony V always advocates using earbuds (at least one)!

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I haven't noticed Tony with earbuds, at least not recently - but I haven't seen him driving the Seven in a while. Earbuds while driving are illegal in New York...
https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/201...while-driving/

One ear is probably not too bad and I rather doubt you'd ever get ticketed for earbuds, in one or both ears. I would guess it's more used if there's an accident and one person was wearing earbuds so is likely to be more at fault.

Update: more detail from AAA: http://drivinglaws.aaa.com/tag/headsets/
"Wearing more than 1 earphone attached to a radio, tape player, or other audio device is not permitted while driving."
Assuming that's true, one earbud is legal in NYS.

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Am I the only one annoyed by the constant "Vehicle stopped on shoulder ahead" warnings? I looked once and could not customize the alerts that I get but that feature may have been added.


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You're not the only one annoyed by " vehicle stopped on shoulder ahead". I find the reporting sequence cumbersome, not intuitive, and frankly dangerous while driving. And the app eats your phone battery alive.

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Never had a WAZE app crash with an iPhone.

The vehicle stopped ahead are a bit annoying because they are so frequent. A Highway Patrol friend told me that "all stopped cars get hit", so I guess it's a good thing to know.

I generally have WAZE and streaming Sirius XM simultaneously. With a power cable attached, seldom have less than 90% when I arrive.

EDIT: would not consider going anywhere without a radar detector. Saves me regularly. But I seldom run even 15 over.

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I would add WAZE to this venerable list today

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I tried WAZE a couple of years back and really didn't like it. Might give it a try again
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