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It doesn't look like a $150k car.

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you could get a Evora 400 for half the price of the nsx and it is better car IMHO
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you could get a Evora 400 for half the price of the nsx and it is better car IMHO
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The new NSX is, like modern Ferraris, waaaay to complicated to be affordable even when the purchase price of a used one is under $100,000. Can you imagine how much all that hybrid crap will be to repair/replace? And who will work on it other than a dealer which means they pick whatever repair price they want? No thanks.

But the bigger and more long range concern is just that sports cars of every ilk are just not selling. Corvette & Porsche (the sports cars) are down, Alfa, NSX & Lotus are microscopic, Jag just dropped its manual trans F Type, etc. Ferrari is up but not many others. Meanwhile, racing schools are closing, racing TV audiences aren't growing much, and teenagers now lust over self-driving cars.
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They shot high and will not get rewarded. If a loaded bird was in the $120's when they first came out, it would be competitive with ZR1 Vettes and other well known brand names. I too agree that all the hybrid crap makes for a non -self serviceable nightmare down the road. That is turn off #1. The rest of the car could be quite entertaining if the price was right. Just like the last generation Preludes, Honda has a knack of engineering the joy out of everything. I remember driving a ~2000 Preluse SH etc. VERY COMPETENT FWDer, but eh motor was so sewing machine smooth that it just did not engage the driver....And Homey don't do FWD!

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....And Homey don't do FWD!
Check. FWD car can only be sporty at best....never a real sports car. An ideal propulsion for a car is from behind, not dragged.
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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...erious-trouble.

I was hoping that this was anecdotal. I would like to corroborate this with other sources though
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An NSX offers fast acceleration and competent handling at speed. This sort of performance used to be very exotic. The problem is that electric cars now offer comparable speed without sacrificing much -- go drive a Model S P100D. You used to buy an exotic and deal with the compromises for the driving experience and speed only an exotic could offer.

An NSX doesn't offer beautiful styling (modern, but not timelessly beautiful). It doesn't offer the world's best steering feel, or handling so much more remarkable than so many other less expensive cars. It doesn't thrill you with a V12 exhuast note or offer anything truly remarkable in that regard either.

So what are you left with? I think in the next 10 years we're going to see more people realize high-performance electric cars offer all the speed and composure people used to look for from an exotic, and the gas cars that remain desirable are those that offer something unique. That's why the Elise/Exige is going to be sought after.
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Our cars look timeless due to its simple lines, not too different from a sports racer of the 60s or 70s, time will tell how the NSX will age.
Generally, curves and swoopy shapes age much better than straight lines. The best example of this is the design language of Lamborghini. Their cars to tend to look very much 'of the time' after a decade or two, while flowing curves tend to age much better.
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An NSX offers fast acceleration and competent handling at speed. This sort of performance used to be very exotic. The problem is that electric cars now offer comparable speed without sacrificing much -- go drive a Model S P100D. You used to buy an exotic and deal with the compromises for the driving experience and speed only an exotic could offer.

An NSX doesn't offer beautiful styling (modern, but not timelessly beautiful). It doesn't offer the world's best steering feel, or handling so much more remarkable than so many other less expensive cars. It doesn't thrill you with a V12 exhuast note or offer anything truly remarkable in that regard either.

So what are you left with? I think in the next 10 years we're going to see more people realize high-performance electric cars offer all the speed and composure people used to look for from an exotic, and the gas cars that remain desirable are those that offer something unique. That's why the Elise/Exige is going to be sought after.
All the recent super cars, ICE or Electric are stupid fast with many digital driver-aids so the driver doesn't need to be skilled to be fast as the car is doing all the work for you but we still manage to have plenty of crashes on YT apart from the track. Electric cars are cool but heavy(for now) and sleepy quite, sure don't stir any soul or drama. Switch on the auto-pilot, you will surely fall asleep.

The SUVs are the hot seller and I like to be wrong to say the 4C is the last of the ICE sports car be it "no-need-2-shift". I like to get one someday so I can have a 21st century carbon tub b 4 I kick the bucket. Next generation of kids like the autonomous stuff as they are taught to be "green", robotic and digital IoT all the way to save the world. Low volume ICE sports cars should have its day in the sun like the old muscle cars restored and fetching for stupid money for the small market who is willing and able to pay.
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To echo what others have said... the styling is out of touch and numb. Even if the performance is there, I want to open the garage and feel something
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And then there was the Fiero that sold something like 130,000 units the first year. They cancelled it for low sales at something like 45,000 units.
I was so looking forward to the 1990 Fiero, rumored to have an all aluminum frame which would have dropped the weight close to 2,000 lbs, larger engine and stats that would have killed the Vette at the time. Chevy didn't like that either, a car that sold for a fraction of the cost of their flagship vehicle.
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Classic GM>>>discontinue car right about when they finally get it right...

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Not only that, they'll shut down the whole division.

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At $150K, Acura is not a nameplate I'd consider. A base real motor version at $100K would have been a smart way to go. Easy enough to slap an SC on one of their V6's. Not all of us (obviously by sales numbers) give a rat's a$$ about hybrid stuff that adds weight!! and complexity. Even electrics are more simple.
Like a VW with a Phaeton pricetag even it if it was a pretty damn good car....it should have been an Audi...at least.
Most of us that love cars but have a sense of financial reality, do not look into territory that spells financial foolishness.

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At $150K, Acura is not a nameplate I'd consider. I base real motor version at $100K would have been a smart way to go. Easy enough to slap an SC on one of their V6's. Notall of us (obviously by sales numbers) give a rat's a$$ about hybrid stuff that adds weight!! and complexity. Even electrics are more simple.
Like a VW with a Phaeton price tag even it if it was a pretty damn good car....it should have been an Audi...at least.
Most of us that love cars but have a sense of financial reality, do not look into territory that spells financial foolishness.
Example. I had no intention of even looking at a Maserati GTS with 135-156+++ pricetag, but when I saw a new one under $100K!! now its in my territory. And that was before negotiations where I took care of the 1st 3 yrs of depreciation.

Let's face it, when Evoras started MSRP'ing above 100K, they lost some potentials only to see the deals drop it below that magic number if those folks paid attention.
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Oddly enough, when I traded my R8, the NSX and the Evora 400 were the two cars I was considering. I obviously ended up with the Evora and am really happy with my purchase (although, already need to hit the dealer because I have an airbag warning light on).

The NSX really is a terrific car with two main problems. Audi sells something called an R8. And McLaren sells something called a 570S.

If you want bang for your buck, you're buying a Vette, Porsche, GT-R, or maybe an Evora. But if you're willing to up the ante to the next price point, the R8 is faster, sounds better, has better interior build quality, and is an Audi instead of an Acura, for essentially the same price. And the 570S isn't much more, but it let's you say you own a McLaren (in addition to being a wickedly fast car).

Take those two cars out of the mix, and everyone willing to pay more to have something more exotic than a Z06, but not willing to spend a quarter million (or more) on a Huracan or a 488 will be looking at the NSX.

That being said, I hope 3 years from now, I stumble across a low mileage 2019 NSX in Thermal Orange for under $110K.
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Another problem is your taking a car (NSX) which has a ricer/Honda/fast and furious/not rich money fanboy base (Gt-r Crowd) and charging $150k for it. Just looked up the original MSRP from like a 1990 NSX which ranged from $60k-90K.
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NSX is an awesome car, but WAAAYYYY too damn expensive. Add to that the looming release of the mid-engine Corvette for (probably) a lot less $$$, it's no wonder they're not selling.
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