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post #21 of 61 (permalink) Old 12-12-2015, 10:42 PM
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thanks! I thought you could go wider than 245s? IIRC, the stock rears are 235 and the wheel is so sunken in looks like one could run 265/275.
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post #22 of 61 (permalink) Old 03-04-2016, 06:53 PM
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Good writeup. I test drove a 4C today & it definitely seems to take many of the best Lotus bits and tweak it to be a bit newer, more advanced/technological and livable on a daily basis (in little areas like ease of getting in/out) while keeping the fun factor.

I'll be interested how well they hold value. $70k+ seems steep, although I realize it's probably reasonable for a car with a carbon tub. I'll definitely consider it for an Exige replacement down the road.


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Thanks for sharing mate. The extra offset / width of the wheels really makes a difference to the look. That was the main thing I couldn't get past in the factory pics. Don't know why they had the wheels sitting in so far. Looks great now.

Pity the Exige V6 didn't make it to the US. Is that something they are going to remedy?

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Thanks for the write-up. Very interesting to hear the views of a real 4C owner, who previously was deep into Lotus. Having bought both of those cars gives your views all the more weight. Always makes me laugh how road testers spout-on about the 4C's 'road racer' traits, when Lotus came-up with the blue-print 20 years prior.

What it confirms to some extent is how much North American market Lotus is missing by not having the Exige V6 available for street use... in its sector, its easily the best drivers car out there, as long as they don't get too cheeky on the price point.

Here in the UAE, we have all the choices Porsche / Lotus / Alfa... and pretty much anything else. I'd have to do some serious road testing to decide myself where the money would be spent. I guess my views would be :
$65 to $80k. (New) Exige V6 Sport 350... I wouldn't bother with the Cup version
$80 to $100k (New) Cayman GT4... I wouldn't pay a premium over list, nor do you need to if you know where to look.
$100k + (Used) MP4-12C... what a silly name.

... although something naughty inside me hankers for a RXC, which are fully street legal here.
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Here in the UAE, we have all the choices Porsche / Lotus / Alfa... and pretty much anything else. I'd have to do some serious road testing to decide myself where the money would be spent. I guess my views would be :
$65 to $80k. (New) Exige V6 Sport 350... I wouldn't bother with the Cup version
$80 to $100k (New) Cayman GT4... I wouldn't pay a premium over list, nor do you need to if you know where to look.
$100k + (Used) MP4-12C... what a silly name.
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I agree, Lotus is missing out a few sales of the Exige V6 in the US by not federalizing it - or at least one - me.

You lucky dog, it's nice to have those choices at those prices! Please don't rub it in, and I don't want to know what you pay for a gallon of high octane, freshly distilled from sweet light crude.

I think the MP4 namesake is a homage to John Barnard, who designed the very successful Mclaren MP4 series, the first all CF chassis that took the likes of Lauda, Prost, and Senna to world championships.
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Agreed with the others. I would've been very tempted by the Exige V6 had it made it over here. Since it didn't, the 4C was an easy pick for me. I love the thing.

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I didn't click with the connection to the old F1 car.... I see.

I think what McLaren mis-understood in the early years of their re-entry into road cars is 'emotion'.
The cars name, it's looks, its sound, the way it engages... they were too clinical about the job of going fast.

Places like the UAE have a lot of supercars... they're on every street corner. Some owners have multi supercars & use them most days. Most owners aren't into racing or even track days...nor claim to be 'driving gods' they just want to look / feel good as they scoot around.

As McLaren have launched new variants every year or so since the MP4 started, each iteration has become more engaging, so in my view they're going in a good direction.

More than any other rival, I feel McLaren are closer to the spirit of Lotus and what the 'New Esprit' might have been. I'm not sure theres room for a New Esprit now, the bar has been set very high in the $150k+ sector

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Great write up, Kaz. I had a 4C loaner (via Chrysler) for five days, and wrote one of the reviews that complained about the darty/wandering suspension geometry. Months later I mentioned this to Eric of Suspension Performance (which does 4C work along with Lotuses) and he said that all the early US cars had the same misalignment problems. They weren't transported from Europe properly, and were badly knocked out of alignment on the boat. Obviously, a new suspension fixes that. But other owners (with stock parts) should make sure they're not suffering through the "factory" alignment. It's a really fun car, and certainly has a wow factor.

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I own a Lotus 211. It's a fantastic track car. Mine has been continually improved and currently sits with a dry sumped, long rod BOE motor and a Quaife sequential transmission. This is frankly the best car I have owned (Aston Martin V8 Vantage, V12 Vantage Carbon Edition, R8V10, Autdi TTRS, Porsche Boxster S, Boxster Spyder and a track prepped Cayman R with monoballs, GT3 suspension, 6 pt harness etc).

On a track I would take a Lotus any day. But I now own an Alfa 4C as my summer car. My review of the car can be found here: VVUZZ Rethink The Alfa Romeo 4C

I can no longer spend as many days at the track as I used to, so sadly the Lotus 211 will be put up for sale soon. I'm hoping I will be able to prep my Alfa 4C to be a worthy track car. The steering is a place I will have to do some work. Very few cars can compete with a Lotus for steering feel and the Alfa has some sorting needed. Luckily there has been work done in the aftermarket to address this. Alfa works transformation - Page 3 - Alfa Romeo 4C Forums

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post #30 of 61 (permalink) Old 09-19-2016, 12:37 PM
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I see there are lots of suspesion upgrades for he 4c these days,an nd its the most exotic of exotic looking cars.

I went for v6 cup because my use is track and I have an elise for the street. After years of tryign to have a car that could do both street and track, i just split the two options and have one for each medium so they are better suited to their respective purposes.

The cayman Gt4 looks great, but is expensive to run on track, and we all really want the future one with a Gt3 motor.

If I were going street it seems hard top beat the Alfa especialy if you can do the suspension and power upgrades, sorta makes you wonder why the Italians dont just offer it thast way.
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My buddy bought a 4c and it's the closest you can get to a "new Elige". I prefer manual but it's nice to see another manufacturer doing what they can with regulations and keeping the spirit alive in new cars.

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I always wonder how similar they are to drive when comparing with a lotus.
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Great write up.
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Great write up ... did you see our track review video as well?
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Old thread, I know, but I'm fascinated by it.

I have a 981 Boxster Spyder. I cross-shopped it with a 4C, Z06 (no-go -- HATE Chevy dealers), and F-Type R (I would marry that car).

I still drool over the 4C and I still want one. I wasn't a huge fan of the motor and it wasn't comfortable like my Elise due to high seating position which turned me off after test driving. I'm 6'2". I'm sure the seats can be adjusted, but it seemed like the Spyder was a special opportunity as the last hurrah of the NA H-6 from Porsche and a relatively pure driving experience with some basic comfort. I talked to a few Lotus owners who are familiar with the 4C and they all advised against it.

I was also concerned about lack of aftermarket. Your thread has made me certain that the 4C is in my shortlist of cars to get next year. I may trade in my gen II Viper for one.

What is incredibly sad is that the 4C isn't selling well and will probably be killed off soon.

I want to get mine before that happens. We will probably never see another car like this again. It kills me how under-appreciated it is. To a corporate giant like FIAT, they won't tweak it to garner more sales. They'll just kill it off. Already there are reports of that and they just killed the Viper which was outselling the 4C.

Anyway, thanks for sharing.
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alignment

What would the alignment person aim for to diminish the "darty feel?"
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4C is nice but no manual trans, so automatic no from me. In terms of driving experience it involves less driver feedback than the Exige.
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2.5 years later, still have the 4C?
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If you’ve never driven the 4C..if you’ve only been lusting over it, watching endless movies and reviews on youtube about it, only been reading articles, reviews, and lurkinf the 4C forums...go teat drive one..and you’ll quickly realize you wasted so much time lusting, watching, and reading about a beautiful car thats so boring to drive and just doesnt do it.

Cliffnotes: Elise/Exige > 4C
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