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Exclamation BOE Success: VF TVS + FastWorks + $$$$$....car runs great now!

I have put about 1400 miles on the car since BOE got my car running and I wanted to give my feedback on their excellent service

Picking up the car at BOE in Kansas. Drove it home.






To make the LONG backstory short, I had a VF Stage 2 kit which ran good for a while. It knocked here and there and eventually I ended up replacing the stock engine because the compression was down on it. I went with a BOE Nikasil engine and upgraded to the VF TVS hoping the more efficient blower and stronger engine would alleviate the knocking.

It did not, and the knocking was worse on the new setup. I spent alot of time and money replacing sensors and trouble shooting other things. I bought the $2000 FastWorks software suite from BOE and with Phil's guidance I thought I could get rid of the knock. But I couldn't get consistent results while trying to street tune so I made an appointment to take the car up to Phil in Kansas to get it professionally tuned. 2 days before I was supposed to haul the car up there I went to fill the gas tank with good 'ol Texas 93 octane since Kansas only has 91. I got about 1 mile from the house the car started running real rough. I pulled into the gas station and turned it off. That was the last time the car ran. The engine would not even try to combust.

This was about a 1 year time frame from getting the engine rebuilt and taking the car to Phil. I had maybe made about a dozen full throttle pulls during that time period due to level of knock I got. I also had a severe oil leak from the oil pan for about 2/3 of that time.

So that brings me to my experience with BOE. I called Phil in a panic telling him the car was dead. He said to bring it up anyways and he would do what it took to make it work. Phil and Andrew did some trouble shooting and found that the piston rings were completely shot. Compression and leak down tests didn't even register on the tools and blowing air into one spark plug hole made air come out another. This was the source of my endless oil pan leak they surmised.

Phil was very accommodating to me going from what started as a 6-8 hour tuning appointment to now a full blown engine overhaul + tuning. The whole ordeal took close to 2 months. Phil kept in touch with me the whole time through (I do not believe he sleeps). Phil was very good about not pressuring for extra services or products. I did take him up on a couple suggestions, but anything I rejected he backed off from without hesitation.

I think Phil does not want exact numbers out there due to case by case builds, but I can say that just the rebuild process plus tune was in the $6-7K range. This did not include the $5-6K I had spent the year before having the engine toughened up. The Ferrera valves, Arias pistons and Nikasil wall coatings faired the damage very well. Only the piston rings and bearings had to be replaced.

BOE does charge quite a bit for their work, but the work and communication was TOP NOTCH. Phil also threw in a little bit of extra work on top free of charge. I would prefer to only worry about the cost than to be happy with the cost but worry about the reliability of the work. No engine bay disaster here.

The results:

Originally the setup was
  • BOE 10.5:1 Engine Block
  • Vision Function TVS1320 kit
  • Vision Function reflash tuning solution
  • RC 550 Injectors
  • "15 PSI" pulley
  • 2bular Full exhaust

With that setup I got 260HP/170TQ. Not great power, but certainly no slouch. The real issue was that I just couldn't go anything over half throttle because of the knock. But it was enough low throttle power to commute to work with ease.

By the time Phil got done with the car, it had only a very slightly different setup. The injectors were traded out from the RC 550's to Bosch 750's, mostly for reliability reasons. The car also had a completely stock exhaust instead of the 2bular. But other then that, all the same hardware. The difference was staggering.

305HP/240TQ




40HP and 70Ft-lbs from basically software and know how!

The drivability with that much torque is glorious! Once above 60MPH, I do not ever have to switch out of 6th. There is more then enough torque for just about any situation outside of racing.

Remember me saying I got about a dozen full throttle pulls out of the kit previously and all I got was a dead engine and big oil stain on my garage? Phil swears up and down he rang the hell out of the engine before giving it back to me and I have already done those dozen hard pulls. Not a drop of oil on the oil pan, no blown out oil dipstick. And the car does the pulls with vigor.

Here's my unofficial timing of a 3rd gear pull from 50-90MPH. A very fun gear.

Its about 4.5 seconds for 50-90. Not stupid fast, but I think it puts me well above most cars. Maybe even a Vette


I think 300HP is a very good number for this car. Its not crazy fast and I do not feel out of control, but it is very authoritative. 350-400HP would probably be closer to OMG fast and be able to beat just about any factory car you would run into.




So far no Check Engine Lights. One of the reasons I switched to FastWorks was because I had a check engine light due to an emissions modification I made and Vision Function's software did not have the capability to correct that. FastWorks was able to take care of it no problem.

My only real gripe is I had some idle issue when I took delivery of the car. Granted Phil probably didn't spend too much time tuning stop and go traffic, so I can forgive him. Phil tried to do a little remote tuning by sending an updated tune file. It did not fully fix the issue, but I was able to go into the software and just raise the idle 300 RPM's and things have been stable enough for me. The car did not have this issue when I first set up FastWorks on the dieing engine so I know it's just a software issue. But that goes back to the lack of documentation for FastWorks. Phil has been very good at providing info on the software, but he's just one (busy) guy.

Vision Function advertises this kit as being able to do ~330HP/220TQ. I think on a stock compression ratio motor and full aftermarket exhaust those numbers are probably not far off. The hardware itself is very capable. However at these power levels, I was not able to get a satisfactory experience with the software capabilities. Many (many) thousands of dollars later, I now feel more confidant.

Now for those wondering "Can I use this tune on my VF car?" I can not say if Phil would let this tune out into the wild. It's the only VF TVS car he has tuned and he says the intake difference would probably have some measurable effect overall. But that can be copied. I also have a Air Intake Temp sensor added, which is a major difference between VF and FastWorks. Something I would greatly recommend adding, which would also require software that can use it.

I was not happy that it came to this, but I was very happy with the service and value that Phil and Andrew provided in finally getting my car up and running correctly.
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Nice to hear another happy ending thanks to Phil and boe.
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Great!

The idling issue should go away after about 60 miles.

So what was the cause of the knocking? Did he deactivate the sensor with the new tune?

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Its about 4.5 seconds for 50-90. Not stupid fast, but I think it puts me well above most cars. Maybe even a Vette
Sorry, but from 50-90 the only reason you'd pull on a Vette is if they miss the shift from first to second (my C6 hits 60mph in first).

Enjoy your "new" car.

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You've had so many problems with your FI experience.
It feels good to know the car is reliable and will do as told.
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Sorry, but from 50-90 the only reason you'd pull on a Vette is if they miss the shift from first to second (my C6 hits 60mph in first).

Enjoy your "new" car.

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I think he stands a lot better chance than you think. I'm running less hp than he is and I can still inch on a base C6 to just past 100. We do a lot of local drives here and I've learned who I can play with and who I can't.

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I took my 06' Elise to Phil after blowing the stock pistons and roughing up the block. I left with this
Nikasil 10.5 block
Arias racing pistons
JCR race prepped head
MWR stage three cams
Rev 400 intercooled with 15 lbs of boost
2bular headers
BOE ST muffler
BOE Clam Hinge
Fastworks with 4 hours on the Dyno
360 WHP
When I got home, I added a 100 NOS Sniper Kit Wet shot.
Phil advised against the nitrous just for full disclosure
I no longer have a torque curve, but rather a torque line .
My AFR is always right
I currently run 95 octane
With the nitrous kicking, a 500 bhp elise will take a new Vette behind the wood shed and commence with the beatings. It also enjoys K24 and V6 swaps
All that to say Phil and Andrew are in fact Lotus whisperers and good humans on top of that. No up selling unless it is truly in your best interest!
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I think he stands a lot better chance than you think. I'm running less hp than he is and I can still inch on a base C6 to just past 100. We do a lot of local drives here and I've learned who I can play with and who I can't.
My butt dyno says the C6 is faster but not having the ability to drive both my Exige and C6 at the same time it's hard to tell.

50-90 would just be a pull in 2nd and honestly I think the only chance the Lotus would have is if I break the rear end loose (which is very easy to do, even with 335 R888s).

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I took my 06' Elise to Phil after blowing the stock pistons and roughing up the block. I left with this
Nikasil 10.5 block
Arias racing pistons
JCR race prepped head
MWR stage three cams
Rev 400 intercooled with 15 lbs of boost
2bular headers
BOE ST muffler
BOE Clam Hinge
Fastworks with 4 hours on the Dyno
360 WHP
When I got home, I added a 100 NOS Sniper Kit Wet shot.
Phil advised against the nitrous just for full disclosure
I no longer have a torque curve, but rather a torque line .
My AFR is always right
I currently run 95 octane
With the nitrous kicking, a 500 bhp elise will take a new Vette behind the wood shed and commence with the beatings. It also enjoys K24 and V6 swaps
All that to say Phil and Andrew are in fact Lotus whisperers and good humans on top of that. No up selling unless it is truly in your best interest!
Could you please make a movie clip when accelerating your Elise? Thanks!

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Could you please make a movie clip when accelerating your Elise? Thanks!
You realize there is already one in the first post, right?

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You realize there is already one in the first post, right?

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Yes, I do. I meant a clip from Pipework and not the OP.

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That's not of my car though.
Yes I will take a video clip of acceleration and decorate the background with a confused and disgruntled Vette driver!!
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That's not of my car though.
Yes I will take a video clip of acceleration and decorate the background with a confused and disgruntled Vette driver!!
I drive an Exige S, C6 and a ZX-10R. I haven't had any of them passed by anyone yet.

BTW, the 50-90 clip above seems like it is a bit slow. I'm wondering if that's because the compression is lower than stock.

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Yes, I do. I meant a clip from Pipework and not the OP.
My bad. Congrats on your World Cup success. I still have to root for the Americans.

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That's not of my car though.
Yes I will take a video clip of acceleration and decorate the background with a confused and disgruntled Vette driver!!
You should make two videos. One without the NOS and one with.

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San,

The video above you keep referring to is not mine. You have a cool stable of cars BTW. I will tape two different pulls for you when I get home. I too have some other toys. I have a stroked 434 blown with NOS 67' El Camino. It does not really get passed either. Back to the Lotus topic, I can put my AC on high and beat anyone around here to 150 that is not set up for straight 1/4 mile. That includes my Viper, which is basically stock for now.

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San,

The video above you keep referring to is not mine. You have a cool stable of cars BTW. I will tape two different pulls for you when I get home. I too have some other toys. I have a stroked 434 blown with NOS 67' El Camino. It does not really get passed either. Back to the Lotus topic, I can put my AC on high and beat anyone around here to 150 that is not set up for straight 1/4 mile. That includes my Viper, which is basically stock for now.

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I realize the video is not yours. I'd like to see yours as I too would like to have BOE transform my car in the future. I'm making about 80 less horsepower in my Exige and I too have retained my AC. It was tempting to ditch it for weight savings.

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Keep the a/c and have a gentleman's car. It is 97 in Oklahoma today, just went to grab some adult beverage and was elated to not be sweating with my shirt sticking to the seat. We have a bunch of Hillbillies here that have turbo diesels that can beat all of our cars pulling a trailer in the 1/4 but will never have the style we currently have. My ElCo puts down over 1000 hp and I got beat the other day by a Buick with upgraded twins. Adding another 100 hp will more than make up for that 21lb Ac set up. I too run the 888's and immediately turn off my traction control upon start up, so I can drive as I see fit.
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I'm heading to Phoenix in the morning in the C6. Part of the reason for taking the C6 is the decent AC. Even with AC Phoenix is a challenge. Can't imagine taking the Exige to Phoenix in June/July. It's a "cool" car, but it doesn't have a strong AC, no matter what mods you've done.Sorry for the hijack.

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motortrend has a c6 grandsport at 4.3seconds from 50-90, so right in the same ballbark. Within the margin of error for the discussion.

of course there are lots of things that can pass any of your three vehicles as well.

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