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My Lotus Esprit S4s is for Sale

It's Time. If anyone on this forum ever wanted pretty nice S4s , I am putting mine up for sale.
I am asking $34,000 or best offer. 63K miles on the car 22K on the engine and transaxle. I will post this on the Market Place side also. Contact me at 404-eight two two-1158.
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Nice! If only I wasn't getting a house soon.. GLWS
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Very good price Dave. Sorry to see that you're selling it.
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To me, the ultimate expression of the Esprit

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I mean, 34k, what more can you get for that?
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Sad - I know you have some other fun projects you want to focus on.
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Can I call dibs?! Text sent!
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Sorry I missed your text. I was out in the yard gardening. I gave you a call back and left you a message. I will hold your DIBS until we connect.
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FYI - I highly recommend you both define 'dibs' to make sure no misunderstanding during the deal.

My understanding of 'dibs' means the potential buyer has the first opportunity to negotiate and buy the car ahead of anyone else.

However, if something comes up (e.g. a problem getting the funds in a 'timely' manner (defined by the seller)), then the 'dibs' comes off and 'first come, first serve' with any buyer that has the money/funds available FIRST.

This is so the seller isn't expected to hold a car for an inordinate amount of time for a buyer that isn't prepared to buy the car..

That's my definition but DaveS4s may have a different one.
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You are correct . that's the way I define DIBS. We will see how it plays out.
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We’ve had a conversation sleek. I can appreciate your concern for Dave vs the new guy. I can assure you there will be zero issues with funds. The only issue is the same as always with long distance car buying...the dreaded logistics.
We’ll figure something out and I’ll get my dream car that used to reside on my wall as a poster when I was a kid or he’ll have to sell it before I can get to him. The life of a pilot with two jobs and a family.
That said Dave sounds like a great man and was super nice and helpful to work with on the phone. I sure hope Ill be the one smiling at the next cars n coffee here in Memphis!
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We致e had a conversation sleek. I can appreciate your concern for Dave vs the new guy. I can assure you there will be zero issues with funds. The only issue is the same as always with long distance car buying...the dreaded logistics.
We値l figure something out and I値l get my dream car that used to reside on my wall as a poster when I was a kid or he値l have to sell it before I can get to him. The life of a pilot with two jobs and a family.
That said Dave sounds like a great man and was super nice and helpful to work with on the phone. I sure hope Ill be the one smiling at the next cars n coffee here in Memphis!
The moderators here tend to look out for the forum members. No offense to you as the new guy, but it is what it is. Best of luck to you and welcome to the forum. Dave, GLWS.

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[snip]The only issue is the same as always with long distance car buying...the dreaded logistics.
We値l figure something out and I値l get my dream car that used to reside on my wall as a poster when I was a kid or he値l have to sell it before I can get to him. The life of a pilot with two jobs and a family.
That said Dave sounds like a great man and was super nice and helpful to work with on the phone. I sure hope Ill be the one smiling at the next cars n coffee here in Memphis!
I bought my 87 here from a member that's been around for at least 5 years (I've been here since I bought my first 88 Esprit in 2011) - I totally can relate to the 'dream car that used to reside on my wall' scenario.

FYI - I used 'Passport' to transport my 87 Esprit from the seller in Rochester, New York to Fremont, California (where my mechanic received it directly for maintenance). They were highly recommended and their prices, while slightly higher than others, was competitive. I did pay for enclosed transport as well.

When my late 88 was totalled in a commute accident, I was looking for another Esprit. The short story is that if you want the most refined and considered best 4cyl - the S4s is the way to go (it's very rare and has all the best enhancements).

I test drove a black S4s in 2015, but it had some owner neglect issues that unnerved me. But it had power steering and plenty of power - more refined and considered by many to be one of the best all around Esprits.

My 'poster' car was the Giugiaro Esprit - I started out with the Stevens 88 (longer story for another day) and now drive the 87 Esprit at least weekly for lunchtime runs (about 25-30 miles round trip).

Good luck on your search for your dream car - gotta be pretty exciting

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We’ve had a conversation sleek. I can appreciate your concern for Dave vs the new guy. I can assure you there will be zero issues with funds. The only issue is the same as always with long distance car buying...the dreaded logistics.
If you request your RFQ from ANY on-line company, it goes automatically on the Central Dispatch Board at jTracker dot com

. You can become a member and sign up for free for 30 days at https://www.centraldispatch.com/

Brokers and subscribers can see your entry on the Boardand will contact you trying to negotiate the price UP. Higher the price, higher their cut.
Their favorite way is to hassle you on the phone = preferred method. The best is to deal with them via e-mail (less intimidation for you). This automatically eliminate majority of the middle men and BS artists.
Brokers, usually don't own any trucks, they are just a middle men skimming from the top. They only have a phone and a computer, and their cut is 150-300 bucks a pop for something you can do yourself!
There are a few "renown/ large" (read EXPENSIVE!) companies, some of them mentioned in previous posts, who claim "white glove treatment". They usually will overcharge you 2-3 times for the same service. It is better to deal w/ the smaller companies. ALL brokers have the same access to the same drivers and the same routes! All drivers are providing the same, equally excellent service. IMO, it is ridiculous and preposterous to pay 1K or 2K more for the "white gloves" treatment, unless you have a Concourse quality car going to Pebble Beach Show,

Always go by the $/mile in your negotiations.
YES! You can negotiate your price! Whoever you'll talk to, always ask for exact distance, or to see a copy of the "central dispatch board" page.
For the average driver the attractive rate is $0.45/mile. You want to knock it down to .40/mile, or less, if you can.
If you're asked to pay .50/mile or more - drop them like a rock, you're getting date-raped!

If you eliminate the middle men layer, you're saving few hundreds bucks from the get going.

Never allow them to "rush" you. Tell them you don't care who and when, as long as they meet your target price. You may have to wait a week or so, but believe me, someone w/half empty trailer will be going towards your destination one of these days.
Always tip the driver.

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Not all of the movers use that website. It is mostly for brokers and shippers. The "big guys" who do their own moving like Passport, Escort, and Horseless Carriage, and others (you will see them a LOT at big events like auctions and large car shows) don't go there. If you are looking for the very cheapest way to move a car then a broker is for you. Just understand that it may take multiple movers, the car may sit for long periods of time, be loaded and unloaded multiple times, maybe enclosed but probably not, and if there is damage good luck getting anything. Usually no tracking so the car may be "lost" during transport. If you are only doing a transport very rarely, even if you overpay, it isn't the worst thing in the world. Overpaying for 1 move isn't as bad as getting your pride and joy only to find that it got damaged after waiting for it longer than promised. I know of one owner that had his very low mileage Viper get damaged. It took a while for anyone to finally agree to pay for the damage but the owner still lost a lot of money because of "Diminished Value". Once a car gets an accident history it is worth significantly less to other collectors no matter the cause or how well it is repaired. Buying "long distance" also involves the matter of payment. The seller wants cash before the car leaves but the buyer is worried once the cash is handed over maybe he doesn't get the car, it isn't in the condition as represented, maybe it gets damaged, etc. The best way to handle "long distance transactions" is thorough a car broker or a trusted car dealer. It can add to the cost of the deal but it can be worth it. The best way would be to use a trusted Lotus shop and have them do a PPI, handle the money, store the car, and arrange transport. Maybe also do any necessary service work. Even better if they know the car and have serviced it for the PO. To move a car over heavily traveled routes like between the coasts, Florida or Texas, you can often get a deal even from the "big guys". Coast to coast figure $1200 and as little as 5 days.
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Wow what a great price! Best of luck to you Dave! Nice car...

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Drive that puppy home! The best road trips I've had most often involve cross-country buying trips: Europa Special from Erie, PA to the deep south (via the Mosport Indycar race), Europa Special from Iowa to the deep south, Maserati Ghibli SS from Washington DC to the deep south (via Williamsburg for dinner @ King's Arms Tavern), Chicago to deep south in a 1988 Ferrari, and Evora S from CA to the deep south via Route 66, Grand Canyon, northern NM.

No automotive adventure is greater than two folks buying an exotic car and driving it across great distances to get it home.
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A great idea IF;
You have the time
You can Title, register, plate and insure it
It doesn't break down
It is not an ultra low mileage car and/or you have mileage restrictions on it from your insurance company or the plates
The weather is good
Other than that I say "Go for it"!

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A great idea IF;
You have the time
You can Title, register, plate and insure it
It doesn't break down
It is not an ultra low mileage car and/or you have mileage restrictions on it from your insurance company or the plates
The weather is good
Other than that I say "Go for it"!

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I may have 'violated' 90% of these ifs...and not just on my 5600 mile Esprit purchased 1000 miles away. Once I had heard seamingly countless stories of people being prudent but flexible on all but the insurance part of this, driving long distance became my go-to option for private party transactions.

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Thanks for the words fellas. Plan is definitely to drive home. I still can’t buy a new pair of shoes and not wear them home. Same principle here I suppose. I’ve got a history of Brit bikes and adventures that involve tool rolls and rebuilding on the road side when required. Character building right? Thankfully it doesn’t sound this car will need any of that.
Sidenote anyone know of Atlanta area Esprit familiar mechanics willing to do a PPI? Dave does all his own work so he never needed one.
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Mike, as far as PPI goes, if you plan a couple of free days here with me , we can go through the Esprit, put on the lift to check it out top to bottom. As far as driving back home, the only problem I see is where are you going to put all the stuff that goes with the Esprit?
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