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Penelope Pitstop Resurrection

When first inspecting the underside of the car I noted many things I want replaced. Shocks all around was one of them but that research on what was the best is off in the distance a bit as far as the crucial things like getting Penelope drive-able. Looking at the pictures last posted reminded me of them. Sure thing first ride they will exhaust themselves of functioning properly. But its time to update you on whats transpired this week.
The fuel lines on the car were all dry, some places worse then others. The crossover lines were cracked all over and de-laminating. I have a really good grasp on why these cars burn now. Honestly I did push on them lightly as I was afraid they would rupture if I put any pressure on them. Solution new silicone hoses from JAE. I took the old ones off after dumping this putrid smelling fuel out. That stuff stunk really bad and it lingered forever in the air until it was sealed in a waste container. I had to clean the oil drain pan out also to get rid of it. I ran some sacrificial gas through both fuel tanks and then blew them out. Same with the crossover tube and it was pretty nasty also and I ran a brass brush through it till it cleaned up and blew it out with air also. The fuel lines were no better and I replaced them all with fuel injection hose. I then went to the fuel filter and pump and replaced everything and added a primary filter that I plan to use as a sacrificial filter and change it out a couple times to clean the system out without wasting the OEM filter repeatedly. I am happy with how that turned out. The supply hose from the tank to the fuel pump was horrible to replace and in really sad shape. Lots of rug rash on the back of my hands feeding the hose through the body and removing the old one. Last night doing the cap and wires I found more of the old hose on the right side of the engine at the fuel pressure regulator. A Princess work is never done. Back to the store yet again.

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Yeah, those hoses are OEM, good thing you replaced them.

Are there any remaining plastic fuel line Ts near the carbs? That's another cause of dripping fuel and fires.

Sure was clever to put the distributor UNDER the carbs wasn't it?
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About as clever as putting your head in an oven to see how really bad that grease fire is as its about to flashover. Two drains on the transmission by the way, one near the front and one at the tail end,, holds about 1/2 a cup of oil. No metal on the mag plugs and no bronze tint either,, Things continue to look brighter. I have been thinking a bit and I will remove the air pump guard, brackets and all the lines. Maybe it will help someone complete a project that might not be possible otherwise. Penelope is a Jersey Girl now and she isn't leaving while I'm breathing anyway.

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Flash back moment
I was sharing this with a member here recently though it might be fun to extend.
This is how I got here to Penelope and how deep my British roots extend
Vintage 1967 Triumph Spitfire 4 MK2
Time Trialing at SCCA event at what was Atlantic City Speedway in what I remember as 1975

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Two drains on the transmission by the way, one near the front and one at the tail end,, holds about 1/2 a cup of oil.
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Yet ANOTHER model update, this time to the C35 Citroen trannies.


Yes on the older transmissions there are two drains (how convenient).

The top cover is smaller and the shifter control linage is on the left side rather than the right. Is your clutch slave on the top of the trans or the right side?

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The clutch slave cylinder is on the right side. The upper drain we talked about is on the left of the transmission with a bolt and stopper but in it. No mistaking that and what it is. I dry lubed the shift linkage under the car with WD 40 Specialist Dry Lube. Once I get back working inside the car I will do the shifter itself. While I was at it I put the Mobil one oil filter in and Mobil one 15W/50 syn oil with a bottle of Lucas
ZDDP. I just love that damn oil filter location almost as much as the distributor cap. I mounted the oil filter remote on my TF6 and will give serious consideration to doing the same with Penelope if I can come up with the right parts combo. Tonight is researching how the manual choke hooks up to join the two carbs. I do have some things figured out but not all. They are not Stromberg carbs as I thought they are Dellorto carbs from Italy. Might need some pics from someone with their choke hook up. I mostly think I got it figured out but I an not sure 100% yet. Maybe a couple glasses of wine will help.
Update: I figured out the linkage between the carbs,, thats the good news. I am missing the piece that mounts to the lever from the choke cable. Its that lug lock bolt wedge lock type of fitting. Hello parts man help!!

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So another day and the saga continues. After going through Charros rebuild I feel insignificant,, I wonder how that man's mind works. Just incredible. I do use cat food cans that have been hot water soap cleaned for mixing glass or epoxy. It keeps the contamination to a lower risk and a 5.5 oz can gives a lot of material to work with. Great job on the rocker panels by the way. My catamaran gave me a good lesson in working with fiberglass and more recently carbon fiber with epoxy. So the wires cap and rotor were a project onto themselves. I basically laid on top of the engine with lights all over and the oil filter off so I could get to the lower cap lock band. Engineering straight from hell with positioning of the distributor on the engine. I have to admit that on the turbo engine the supply oil line feed plate interferes completely. I can see it now two lads a bit snookered drinking Guinness in a pub in some straw roof thatched village after a day at the drawing table saying,, And you know what I did today while slaving on that turbo package. I pissed off people that don't even drive yet, some aren't even born that will hate me, I did I tell ya God Bless the Queen on my soul.
Yup that was horrible, but its on and done.
Today brought my interest to the air filter and the cover over the air horns on the carbs. I was a bit anxious but mostly they are clean and I did some Berkabile wash down on the air horns and cover. It appears the guy I bought the car from was taking a lil used car salesman privilege and he did not rebuild the carbs but the last owner did and when that was done remains a mystery. We will run them till the snow fly's and see how they sound. I would sure love a set of Webers for Christmas Santa where ever you are. The mice did find the air cleaner and nibble off a corner a bit. What was very cute was the pile of cherry skins they saved to make a bed at one end of the housing. How functional, warm and effective. Cherry scented mice for you favorite felines. Off to RD Enterprices tomorrow for the air box gasket, air filter and those lil hose connections that burn cars down under the air box.
Friday the new tires get mounted and by Sunday I think we might just roll out of the garage under our own power. Stay tuned.
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Maybe Inglese or Pierce could help?

I always heard the dellortos are excellent, but I've always had webers.

Maybe some info here.
V8 carbs: Information on Webers (British V8 Newsletter V14/I1, Jan2006)
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I always heard the dellortos are excellent,
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Dellortos have more adjustability... otherwise, they are similar to Webers.


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Good day,, the new rear tires came in a day early. It made for good reason to get all the rims off and over to Good Year to mount up the new fronts and rears. We are still moving along at a brisk pace trying to pull it all together before the snow fly's. The transmission oil Red LIne MT90 MK4 showed up also so tomorrow it will get poured in and sealed back up. The tires should be done also according the Sales guy at Good Year so I can remount them too. I replaced a piece of the crankcase breather hose also at the right inner fender well under the air cleaner. It was gouged up in a couple places and a
bit dried looking. The one on the engine was new with the part numbers still visible clearly so it got reused. I also topped off the anti freeze as it was about a quart low. That was a scare as at first glance I though the over flow reservoir was empty. Closer inspection showed it was not the case. I will admit that took a load of my mind in a second. My Machinists motor head neighbor stopped by to pick up the lever for the choke off the carb to make a new cable locking fitting as the one on the car was missing. JAE didn't have one nor did RD Ent.I am not looking forward to replacing the fuel line under the right side fuel tank. My hands are still scratched up from doing the one on the left side. Major UGGH, I don't wanna do it!! Hopefully Nick will stop by and lend a hand again. It takes three to do it quickly. Two hands just don't got it unless you enjoy gas baths. I need to pick up up the small vacuum line plastic adapters under the plenum cover. One straight rubber one is cracked I noticed tonight. I need a good nights sleep. This mid week working on the car is fun and personally satisfying but adds to my exhaustion. Nite.

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Late post,, but here we are. New tires are on the car, Plenum is back on correctly ( when I took it off lots of clamps for the lower sensors was off and hanging in the breeze.) Gear oil is back in the transmission. Tomorrow is a trip to get the seals for the upper carb fuel tubes. I swear they are bosch. My long hair calico cat ( Pebbles) sat at the wheel today meeping asking for the keys I swear. I took pics of her and will have to load them up at some point. I am as close as I have ever been to firing her up. After that I need to take a long nap.
Thank you to Atwood and those that have guided me so far. It is greatly cherished and acknowledged we are a community involved with our common interest.
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Wow, love the car, and sure seems like it's gone to a good home! Reading your posts makes me feel like I should head to the garage and do the things that need doing on mine! .....maybe tomorrow.
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How does that 80's song go,, " One thing leads to another. In this case its another and another and another. Actually its therapeutic and helps escape from the daily pressures of life and it leaves a sense of accomplishment. I did this. I finish for the night and spend five minutes or so just looking at Penelope and how far we have come together. Really awesome feeling. As a project car she was really in better then fair condition so it wasn't hard to stay focused on the task at hand. Little set backs were however unsettling. Not knowing all her history leaves a sense of okay this is going to well, what is missing or seriously wrong. Why was she left to decay? Hopefully as the days past it will be a feeling of elation of this went rather well all things considered.

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Wow, moving quickly. Great work, and welcome to the community. Atwell really is awesome; he has helped me with my car numerous times.

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Thanks Mike for the kind words.

What often happens with ALL exotic cars especially in large collections is that the new acquisition is driven regularly the first year or two but then left in the garage unused. Or, the owner stops driving as much due to age or something. 😟

Next thing you know the ethanol has rotted the rubber and the tires are flat. Sound familiar?


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Okay here is a stumper for you all. I went and picked up new seal for the cold start tube banjo bolts. Four of one size and four more that are smaller and fit into a recess on the bottom of the tube were the bolt goes through and fastens it to the carb. One of my tubes doesn't have the recess,, NOW WHAT? Anybody see this before? The parts book sure doesn't show it. Bastards!!!
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So we are there. The day of firing Penelope up is here. She is back on the ground on her new tires. One return fuel line from the plenum to the right fuel tank is left to do. Atwood is coming over tomorrow and I am saving that one for him. I might as well give him an easy job to get his hands dirty (Not, I have disposable gloves) But in his mind he can say he did get dirty on my car. lol. I got the right side gas line from the tank, again into the body replaced with a smaller gas bath this time. It actually was easier then the left side but just as messy. But no scrapes on my hands this time. I finished the cold start tubes to the carbs right and what I found after really looking and thinking this over was that what I thought was inner lips in the tubes was old seals pushed in and crust build up from alcohol. That combined with who worked on the car last time reused seals that should have been replaced. That's scary if you think about what could have happen down the road. FIRE. There was also a problem with two seals being on one banjo bolt. I am glad that I am undoing others mistakes, with that in mind what else will I find as I go through the rest of the car??? That's a frightening thought. So I really drug my feet over replacing that last line and decided okay this is it. It has to be done and so with plan in hand I got under the car and pushed the old hose off the tank with a big screwdriver. Half way off I saw the hose was broken through almost complete at where it comes through the car body. My mind said, Oh NO please don't break now. It was cracked through and the other side had a deep crease. I kept one finger on the now open fuel tank and inched the hose out, then fished the new one through the opening in the frame. A little while later I was sliding out from under the car with the old hose in hand saying over and over. Oh ****, OH ****. If the hose chose to break then I would have a chance of fire with 10 gallons of gas draining while I scrambled to move the drop light away and contain the break. Lesson learned here was when cleaning or rehabing a car that has been sitting. Do not no matter how eager put gas back in the car until all fuel related repairs are done. That was not a good risk or plan on how I did this. So tomorrow I will push her out of the garage and start her up and get some new gas running through her veins. Wish us luck!

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Just wondering:

Have you a nice big extinguisher in the garage?

One in the car?

When you write Atwood, do you mean Atwell?

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Yes Atwell, carbuff here on the site., I am terrible with names until I know you a long time. I plan on going to the firehouse in the morning and getting a huge co2 extinguisher. I will place two small ones in the car, but when the weather warms I plan on installing a race car version fire suppression system in the car with Halon right into the engine compartment. One can be bought with three spray heads for about $550 if you go with a ten lb bottle. Powder is really messy
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