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The problem with this thread is that now I feel compelled to examine/replace every rubber hose on my car as well.
I think part of the purpose of this whole thread was to wake people up to look for things that "aren't broke" and a real problem when they do show up. I am so glad to be doing this as I have found lots of inexpensive things that could play a major problem if neglected. Leaving well enough alone does not apply on a Lotus.

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I think part of the purpose of this whole thread was to wake people up to look for things that "aren't broke" and a real problem when they do show up. I am so glad to be doing this as I have found lots of inexpensive things that could play a major problem if neglected. Leaving well enough alone does not apply on a Lotus.

Tell me all about it, lol. You should see the size of the bill for fixing up my car shortly after I got it.

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You mentioned about the hose routing diagram, im pretty sure the vacuum routing diagram on my 1988, on the engine compartment lid (that I always forget is there) does not match what is in the service notes I have. Then I end up getting really confused.
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Tell me all about it, lol. You should see the size of the bill for fixing up my car shortly after I got it.
Care to see my maintenance bills after 50K miles of daily driving?

It's a joke - I don't publish the exact $$ for repairs because the hourly rate in San Jose is not the norm AND many folks on the list do their own work.

Besides, I'd probably go into shock seeing a $/mile figure

But you can see my maintenance history in my 'garage' to get a feel for what is needed.

RE: hoses - the car is 27 years old - every rubber part is suspect especially if the car was ever non-garaged. Luckily my car was always garage in mild California weather. But I replaced most of the key hoses (including the long heater hoses from engine to core).
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I purchased my '87 in 2001 and that was always one thing that haunted me. In 2012 I replaced ALL of the hoses and it was not cheap.

A bit of sunshine here... I did need some hoses and the local auto parts store hooked me up. You might have to cut a little bit off on the ends but the bends were correct.

Back in the mid '80's I worked for a Morgan specialist and he spent time and did the research to figure out most of the parts could be sourced from NAPA. All they needed were a few modifications to make them fit correctly. The 'fit, form and function' worked.

Very important note: The coolant hose under the intake has a slight bend. Loosen the clamp on the water pump side because access to the clamp under the intake is not possible. Before removing the hose off the intake, look at the bend, index it and be sure to install the replacement in the same position. I learned that lesson the hard way...

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If you are trying to determine how much yearly $$ an Esprit needs to stay maintained, budget $2K a year. (That's close to my average over 22 years of ownership, much less than other exotics)

Bear in mind that it's an average. Jenna's car is well-preserved, yet needed several items that deteriorate over time (brakes, hoses, etc).
Catastrophic but predictable repairs make some years worse than others. (I STILL get grief from my wife because we cancelled a Caribbean cruise to get the Esprit fixed up, one year.)
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You mentioned about the hose routing diagram, im pretty sure the vacuum routing diagram on my 1988, on the engine compartment lid (that I always forget is there) does not match what is in the service notes I have. Then I end up getting really confused.
Yes it is on the lid but it does have a flaw,, There is a T connecting the vapor from both fuel tanks that is missing.

That a whole other story replacing that vapor tube. Atwell explained to me you have to pull the carpet off above the rear window and it is tucked in against the roof. It was another late night with block dryer and carpet adhesive gluing it back in place. I did the head light pod motor back in also and vacuumed under it and around the area. Some leaves n small debris.

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If you are trying to determine how much yearly $$ an Esprit needs to stay maintained, budget $2K a year. (That's close to my average over 22 years of ownership, much less than other exotics)

Bear in mind that it's an average. Jenna's car is well-preserved, yet needed several items that deteriorate over time (brakes, hoses, etc).
Catastrophic but predictable repairs make some years worse than others. (I STILL get grief from my wife because we cancelled a Caribbean cruise to get the Esprit fixed up, one year.)
And it was the correct management decision. Just how comfortable was sleeping in the Lotus for the next month anyway,,, hahahaha



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Most parts stores like Napa and such are just parts pickers with no one that really has the time or knowledge to dig into custom repairs, Good job lad
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Another interesting conversation with a long time business associate has possibly led me to a Griffith and Europa without an engine. It appears there is a fenced in yard within two hours of me with about 8 British cars inside. Stay tuned on this one. My friend Mark who retired from turning wrenches last year is all of a sudden very interested in them. Especially the Griffith. It will be interesting to see what lurks behind that fence. I can't wait

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ALWAYS always always photograph the parts before you take anything apart, especially hoses.
After the fire I mentioned, I found that NO service manual in the usa had the routing for my hoses and no one could figure it out.
I couldn't find another car to reference and the last year model was completely different.
After I had the cleanup done, I ended up paying a master mechanic a LOT to figure out the hoses.
He said it was a horrible job and I didn't pay him enough.
It was a carb and a few vacuum hoses, but they had to be right.
And I told him he could eliminate anything not needed.
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Care to see my maintenance bills after 50K miles of daily driving?

It's a joke - I don't publish the exact $$ for repairs because the hourly rate in San Jose is not the norm AND many folks on the list do their own work.

Besides, I'd probably go into shock seeing a $/mile figure

But you can see my maintenance history in my 'garage' to get a feel for what is needed.

RE: hoses - the car is 27 years old - every rubber part is suspect especially if the car was ever non-garaged. Luckily my car was always garage in mild California weather. But I replaced most of the key hoses (including the long heater hoses from engine to core).
Smart boi,,,
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Update time,, sorry no pics tonight. I am too tired to load them. I promise I will shortly. I wont forget that T in the vapor lines either.
Big news is Penelope got to feel her new tires on the roads around here finally. Gil and Atwell came today and bleed the brakes again today and they did a fab job. My pedal is hard and the brakes work great. The car reacts to boost rather well and it appears the turbo has everything in order,, haha. I do need to change the sacrificial fuel filter tomorrow now that she is sloshing fuel about and see what kind of mess is inside, more importantly how much. In fourth gear under boost I did have some fuel starvation. I am sure it is because I have two filters in line and one is rather small for cleanup only short term. Found the fuses out of the light pods, the directional flasher missing and another inside car fuse missing. Replaced them and everything worked. But while test driving the light pod fuse blew again so it limited my drive tonight. I think it is ground related and will start cleaning ground tomorrow to lower resistance. Then see what gives. Bottom line,, The car rocks huge and is so responsive. I am so fortunate to have her and the great folks that guided me through this process. It isn't over yet. Lots of things to do inside to make her pristine again. The only gauge not working is the fuel tank. Who has experience on what fails on them,, chime in please. Early to bed tonight last night I burned the candle on both ends way after midnite trying to finish the vapor lines and my cats woke me up at 6:30 wanting to eat. I am spent after a big plate of pasta, garlic bread and hot sausage with a glass of red wine. It was well deserved and needed. Good night all. New pics tomorrow I promise.

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PS now Penelope faces out of the garage instead of in.
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Congratulations! G-cars are amazing.
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You mentioned about the hose routing diagram, im pretty sure the vacuum routing diagram on my 1988, on the engine compartment lid (that I always forget is there) does not match what is in the service notes I have. Then I end up getting really confused.
Amanda,

Always go by the service notes unless a knowing member says otherwise. That will certainly shortcut the problem resolution to the route cause and avoid taking the long way home, Hopefully not on the back of a rolloff. I have always been one of those I can do it myself kind of girls which I will admit has not always been the right way to go about things. There is a library of knowledge out there in our members heads. Carbuff is certainly one of them. That many knowing people is some powerful Lotus Esprit medicine. I swear by that.

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No truer statement have I heard.

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There is a library of knowledge out there in our members heads. Carbuff is certainly one of them.
<BLUSH>

I honestly know I don't have even a portion of the Esprit knowledge or experience as some of the members here: Esprit2, Vulcan Grey, S4s, jtrealty, MRDangerUS, and others. I only know my own '88.

But, this Marque is all about a close-knit sense of Community.

Luckily, I'm just close-by to Jenna.... And I don't mind assisting others in need. (But, why do ***I*** always end up underneath the car, bathed in brake fluid? LOL)

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I honestly know I don't have even a portion of the Esprit knowledge or experience as some of the members here: Esprit2, Vulcan Grey, S4s, jtrealty, MRDangerUS, and others. I only know my own '88.

But, this Marque is all about a close-knit sense of Community.

Luckily, I'm just close-by to Jenna.... And I don't mind assisting others in need. (But, why do ***I*** always end up underneath the car, bathed in brake fluid? LOL)
Ummm ,,You have a silicone fetish and polishing the underside of a 32 year old,,,,,,,,,,, umm Lotus. lol I drove her more today and got pics to prove it. I need to edit and save them before posting. What a car!!!!! I love powering into a turn and then thrashing it coming out. She is nose in again in the garage to work through those ground issues,, but Its only a start up to go play out the door. I have 18 official miles on her now. I need to change out the throw away filter and see what junk I caught before traveling farther yet.

Thanx Jenna
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Carbuff has helped me too ( through this site ).
He's very generous with his time to the new
guys and gals...his replys to newbie questions
are useful and detailed. Just wish Lotus imported
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