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The red on my 400 Badge has started to chip/flake off. Is this a common issue?
Apparently, with a number of 400 owners reporting. Happened to mine
within 900 miles-a very thin layer of anodized color. For me, not a big deal, and I simply removed the remaining red with my fingernail/wood spud and now have nicely chromed numeral........

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Two non-niggles, but questions:

1) The a/c doesn’t exactly pump out frigid cold air. My 2014 S a/c did fine in Dubai, so I expected better of the a/c than I’m getting. But I can’t imagine that there’s anything mechanically wrong. Anybody else with a 400 in 100+ temp environment? How’s your a/c?

2) I was given a 400 as a loaner car in Dubai and remember being blown away by the exhaust sounds. I’m not sure if I’m imagining things but I feel like the Federal 400 I have is more subdued. Are they still shipping them to the US with that 3rd cat?
Mine works perfectly in 98-100+ of Florida. I have ceramic tint heat reflecting film on windshield and side window also. I rarely use full cold on temp setting (too cold) and usually is set 2-3 clicks lower, utilizing low range of fan speed.

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The ac in my 400 is much better than my S. Go figure.
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Likewise here in the south, with high temps and silly humidity. The car cools quickly and remains comfortable in 100F plus temperatures. Maximum fan speeds and coldest settings are not required even in traffic.
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Thanks, guys. Iíll give the Lotus service in Phoenix a call . . . but I have to decide if it can just wait until the break in service.

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Is this a flaw? I discovered we need to routinely check wheel bolt torques. This is the first car I've owned where routine checking is required. I don't know if that's a function of the way the wheels mount but I discovered (well, TJ actually) all my wheels were loose after 6000 miles. I mean, quite loose. I will probably convert to BOE's kit when I get around to it in hopes it does better in that regard. If nothing else the BOE kit makes it easier to mount and dismount the wheels.

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Took a ďquickĒ 100 mile jaunt up to Phoenix to have the a/c checked out. Turns out I wasnít bat**** crazy. It was blowing upper 70s from the vents. They checked for leaks and found a small one, fixed it and got it blowing 40F from the vents. On the way home it was 114F outside and having the a/c on about 50% fan was keeping me very cool. Night and day difference.

Also found out they didnít include the floor mats, so those are on order. Again, Lotus is not blame free for this stuff, but they are also being let down severely by inadequate dealer PDI.

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A couple of other notes:

1) After spending some freeway time, I think it’s fair to say that the road noise is noticeably higher on the 400 vs the S. Granted I’ve been out of the S for over a year and it’s a pretty subjective thing so I could be wrong. It could also be that the singularly worst soundstage from an automobile entertainment system since I was a teenager driving a Suzuki Samurai was simply unable to overcome the ambient road noise with the three mice they deploy in the door cards banging sticks together instead of using actual speakers to create music. Dunno.

2) I’m pleasantly surprised by the Sparcos so far. Aside from the untucking phenomenon which hasn’t kicked in for me yet, I think they are pretty good. I test drove an early 400 in Dubai back in 2016. I hated the seats in that car—I literally found myself sliding around in the seats and I felt like I was sitting on a crowned pillow instead of in a (soft) bucket like the Recaros. But I’m starting to think these aren’t even the same seats. The lateral bolster support is very good in my car and no sliding in the seats. My seats also have some kind of performance fabric on the inside face of the bolsters (both seat and back). Some other black leather seats I’ve been seeing are 100% leather. Not sure if this is some kind of option (or lack of option in my car) but I actually like it.

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For the speakers, I went through a ~40 step setup guide for them and then did a couple more adjustments. It's much better and still has it's limits, but I can actually enjoy music in the car now.

Not sure about the wheel bolts. I never had that problem on either Elise, but with 5k in the 400, maybe I should check them....

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For the speakers, I went through a ~40 step setup guide for them and then did a couple more adjustments. It's much better and still has it's limits, but I can actually enjoy music in the car now.

Not sure about the wheel bolts. I never had that problem on either Elise, but with 5k in the 400, maybe I should check them....
Following some comments in TLF, I effectively turned off the HPF/boosted the LPF, boosted all the lower frequencies, reduced/narrowed the higher frequencies, and fooled around with the basic treble, bass and subw buttons, and it did get better. There is still very little in the way of midrange, and the treble is still tinny, but it's definitely better. When I get up some guts, the door panels will come off, and front speakers will be replaced.
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I started the process per TLF and every successive step made the sound even worse. Does something magical happen in the last two steps?

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I started the process per TLF and every successive step made the sound even worse. Does something magical happen in the last two steps?
Do you have the subwoofer option? I messed with mine for a good hour too make it sound as good as possible. Mids could be better, but I got the treble under control and it seems like the louder I turn it up, the better the sub and mids come through.

I would never compare it to the speakers in cars of a similar price range, but mine is now to the point that I don't think (too much) about ripping the speakers out and replacing them.

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Do you have the subwoofer option? I messed with mine for a good hour too make it sound as good as possible. Mids could be better, but I got the treble under control and it seems like the louder I turn it up, the better the sub and mids come through.

I would never compare it to the speakers in cars of a similar price range, but mine is now to the point that I don't think (too much) about ripping the speakers out and replacing them.
Yeah I have it. Itís unrecognizable, though. I made sure everything was turned on and had the subwoofer up to 12. Still sounds like an old timey radio from O Brother Where Art Thou. Iíll go out tomorrow and try following all the steps even though each successive step literally made it sound progressively worse than George Clooney singing through a 1930s amplifier.

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Do you have the subwoofer option? I messed with mine for a good hour too make it sound as good as possible. Mids could be better, but I got the treble under control and it seems like the louder I turn it up, the better the sub and mids come through.

I would never compare it to the speakers in cars of a similar price range, but mine is now to the point that I don't think (too much) about ripping the speakers out and replacing them.
Yeah I have it. It’s unrecognizable, though. I made sure everything was turned on and had the subwoofer up to 12. Still sounds like an old timey radio from O Brother Where Art Thou. I’ll go out tomorrow and try following all the steps even though each successive step literally made it sound progressively worse than George Clooney singing through a 1930s amplifier.
Ha! I will also say mine was unrecognizable and still is in lower volumes even with the car stopped and off. My wife originally compared the speakers to her 2002 Ford focus back when she had that. She now compares it to a new corolla (my work car). Is that good for an 80k car? No, no it's not. It's just an improvement that I've been able to do to make it at least manageable.

All I can say is, of you're determined to make it manageable, it is possible with time and the guide on TLF isn't perfect, so you'll still need to tweak it a bit. Other option, and also a good one, is to just get all new speakers.
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Yeah I have it. Itís unrecognizable, though. I made sure everything was turned on and had the subwoofer up to 12. Still sounds like an old timey radio from O Brother Where Art Thou. Iíll go out tomorrow and try following all the steps even though each successive step literally made it sound progressively worse than George Clooney singing through a 1930s amplifier.
well, I didn't follow TLF to the letter. I started with the thoughts around the filters, and then fiddled for at least an hour, and then again the next day. It's so different when you're not moving versus driving, and of course the radio-nanny locks out some features, so it's a more complex process while driving (stopping, entering the tools menu, etc.). I agree that louder is better, but that has its own set of issues. After all the work, the sub did get to a point where it doesn't have to be at max to believe it's actually there. I do think the location is not ideal, but I realize Lotus doesn't have a lot of options, either.

I just don't really get why there is so little midrange, and why so tinny (but I think that's because the tweeters effectively overpower everything else), and so I now have much of the tinny-ness gone, and fair sound at volume. I do think it's the speakers, and not just the smaller size, but the quality. I know this seems like whining, given it's not supposed to be about things like this, but when solutions seem like such simple fixes, they become outsized in the annoyance factor. Would $100 speakers really have driven down sales because the total price went up?

It's not only Lotus. We have a 2018 Q7, it's our 4th Q7. For some reason, they removed the little drawer under the front passenger seat. No one knows why. They saved 11 bucks in a $60k+ car? It sure can't be about saving weight in a Q7. There are lots of complaints about this on Audi forums. The rest of the car is great, but this was just so dumb, you wonder why. And don't get me started on auto stop/start! Luckily, there's OBDeleven.
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First niggle at the gas station. Filled up and tried to close the gas cap cover . . . no dice, no positive locking action. A quick search of the forum provides no real answers, just questions about how to open a stuck latch. One person suggested that you need to push on the panel by the hinge side rather than the latch side. I’ll try that once I get my butt off the couch. But really Lotus why do you care so little about the latches on your cars? [IMG class=inlineimg]https://www.lotustalk.com/forums/images/smilies/facepalm.gif[/IMG]<img src="http://www.elisetalk.com/forums/images/smilies/tadts.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Tadts" class="inlineimg" />

Edit: Go put to the car and the gas door panel is secure. Release it with the button and it flies open with 400 specific vigor. Close the door and I feel positive locking action. Do it twice more with the same result. I don’t know man? {shrugs shoulders}
I had the same issue. Couldn't get the fuel door shut at all at the gas station no matter where I pressed. What worked for me was pushing the gas door button on the door panel a second time. Maybe that put the mechanism in the right spot? Not sure, but I couldn't tell where the gas door actually latches at.

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I had the same issue. Couldn't get the fuel door shut at all at the gas station no matter where I pressed. What worked for me was pushing the gas door button on the door panel a second time. Maybe that put the mechanism in the right spot? Not sure, but I couldn't tell where the gas door actually latches at.
I tried that at the gas station, but it didnít work. But oddly when I pressed the gas door release button, it flung the door open with vigor even though it hadnít been latched. When I got home and tried again, it latched. Iíve since filled up again and it latched properly the first time. Just one of those things I guess.

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So my fuel door issue came back. It flung the door open and the pin didn't come back out of the housing, so the fuel door won't shut and the solenoid has not been actuating (fuses are all good and I can hear a click it seems by the glove box). I'm taking the car on a trip this week and I don't want to drive with the fuel door flapping around. I'm not sure how long the dealer would take to fix it so I'm hesitant to take it in before my trip, so I came up with this temporary fix. Just test drove it and seems to hold fine for now.

I don't have too much longer until I need a service, so this will do until then.
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So here’s a new one:

The check engine light came on and limp mode deployed on my 2017 400 after about 800 miles. Chatted with the Lotus tech in Phoenix who said if the CEL light isn’t flashing, it was probably fine to drive it up to Phoenix from Tucson to have it checked out. We went ahead and did the break-in service at the same time even though it was a bit early. The CEL light turned out to be caused by the cap of the coolant reservoir in the supercharger charge cooler. Somehow the seal failed and the coolant overflowed. But get this, the cap can’t be replaced, the whole reservoir had to be replaced . . . and there are no coolant reservoirs in the US. At this point I’m thinking it must be some major part. But see photo below for the replacement part.

And there is the problem—this whole exercise took over 4 weeks to sort out because of the unavailable part. Thankfully I have a second car (truck), so it was no great hardship for me. And thankfully for Lotus, I’m far more patient than many owners new to the marque. I’ve literally had and driven the car for a shorter time than it was sitting around in a garage in Phoenix waiting for a small plastic reservoir to arrive by sailboat from the UK. Interestingly, the tech said it was a new one to them and Lotus, too . . . but in the ensuing period from when I dropped it off, another Arizona based 400 had come in with the same problem.

But as soon as I got back in the car, all was forgiven. And the crusade resumed to get the Lotus brand out there and making other people happy because I drive an awesome car (how weird is that?) . . . as I mentioned in the “What did you do with your Evora today” thread.
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Lotus now has availability of the improved clips for the 'Sparco untuck' issue. My car is in for the upholstery repair and I understand it's a good fix. That resolves the only issue I have with my car at this time.

We were in Europe for seven weeks and it was typical Tennessee hot when we left in early September but that's gone and with the cooler air, my car feels faster than ever. I missed it keenly while driving some great European roads in our tawdry rental nags and I'm glad to be back although it was a great trip.
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