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post #1 of 30 (permalink) Old 04-13-2018, 01:29 AM Thread Starter
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My First Lotus - Evora 410 Sport. Intro, and some modding Qs

Test drove the local dealerís 410 Sport, a 2017 model in signature silver with IPS, CF buckets, Ti exhaust, red Alcantara interior and the black lightweight wheels. Just wanted to see what the fuss was all about. Big mistake! 2 minutes on and I couldnít keep from smiling. Couldnít stop thinking about it. Lovely steering, awesome suspension. Coming from an Audi R8 V10 Plus (recently sold), an Aston Martin V12 Vantage S and a tuned BMW 1M, the car seemed a bit underpowered just a tad. Maybe 50 more HP and a bit more torque? Nonetheless, couldnít stop thinking of the car. The next few days were spent researching the car. So thereís a BOE manifold and a BOE CAI. That should do the trick.

Spoke with the dealerís owner, who happens to be a good friend. Agreed a nice discount because itís a 1 year old car (less than 150 km on it though) and inside of a week from testing it, itís mine!

Having driven the car a few times since delivery (2 days ago), it is as lovely as I remember during the test drive. The seats though. While I fit and the sides donít dig in to my thighs enough for it to be a problem, all that wasted space on either side of the seat! My only complaint about the seats are they are too short that it really lacks thigh support. I can imagine it being an issue for long drives. A quick call to the dealer and they were offering to order the carbon sparcos but I figure Iíll be adding back weight I paid dearly to keep out.

The IPS had a slight delay but nothing that would be a problem I think. Should be fun for the track....reason I got the car actually. Wish the dealer optioned the darker trim ring for the ac vents but I think I can take care of that myself. Yellow instead of red accents would have been ideal too. The aftermarket radio is, well, crap and is only good for the rear camera. I hope I can wire it so that I can turn it on at will, the view through the rear slats is dismal. They should have just blocked the view completely. I end up taking my eyes off the road longer than necessary to struggle to make out whatís behind me. All the niggles are addressable so Iíll take the bad with the good. And thereís so much good!

Iím spending the next few days needing the brakes and running in the engine so sheíll be ready for testing at the track on Sunday. I have 800km more of driving before Sunday then. Itís a dirty job but someoneís gotta do it! This is going to be so much fun!

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Now for the questions.

Iím looking to get a BOE CAI and headers as well. I understand this doesnít need a tune. BOE have stated that they will have tunes available which we can load ourselves...is that out yet?

Any opinions on BOE baffled pan vs Moroso?

Iíve contacted BWR for a set of Penskes. They said that they are developing shocks for the Evora but may take a while. A lot cheaper than the ÷hlins TTX. Though the mechatronic is tempting.

Water injection. Itís fairly hot in these parts and I was thinking of water injection not for more power but to make sure the car gets cool air so it doesnít pull timing. So I figure it will be installed without th PSE tune accounting for it. Worst case the car gets warmer air it was tuned for anyway and knock control will work within parameters. Does that make sense?

As the car was purchased primarily for the track (but also driven to and from the track) I was thinking of upgrading the radiator to a higher capacity one either from BOE or Elise-shop. Do you guys think itís necessary for war,Mee climates?

What about an oil catch can? Should I?

GRP sells a Quaife LSD for Evoras with IPS. This is something IPS cars donít get vs manuals. Has anyone tried fitting an LSD to IPS cars? other than cost, is there a downside to this?

Lastly, I really like the GT410/430 Sport front and rear bumpers but I seem to recall them priced around 16k. Ouch. HethelSport sells them but I donít think they are as light mas the ones in the car now. Any ideas?

Looking forward to replies to my questions above. I want to start getting HP the parts soon, although some of them will depend on how the car does on track this weekend.

Bonus pics: the V12 Vantage S which I was able to fully spec:











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post #2 of 30 (permalink) Old 04-13-2018, 06:06 AM
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Where about are you based to be worried about heat - Asia ?
I'm based in the Middle East & the standard Lotus coolant / oil systems seem OK for track days - as long as you don't treat them like endurance races.

Adding power = adding heat. But you can add track speed in other ways such as better suspension like the Ohlins or Nitrons, or Cup 2 tyres if they're not already fitted.

Considering the factory spec of the 410, I'd be temped to drive it as-is for 6-12 months worth of track days, keep on top of maintenance, then see how it goes. Its a road car that should be ok for track days within reason, but any 1400 KG road car will feel its weight on-track compared to something more dedicated for track work.
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Yes, Asia. In the Philippines specifically. Summer just started here. And it’s pretty nasty this year.

Good to know the cars hold up to the heat. I just sold my BMW 1M, thus the concern. My ex 997 Turbo would heat soak in the summer and you really feel the car losing power. An upgraded intercooler helped a lot.
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Yeah, I doubt the WinAce bumpers are much lighter than the stock bumpers, but maybe HethelSport can chime in. Most WinAce stuff is fiber glass or fiber glass with carbon overlay.
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Congratulations on the new 410 Sport! I took delivery of mine in late August 2017 and haven't had heat related issues so far. I think we have similar tastes i cars--I also have a BMW 1M and I had a V8 Vantage S that I traded in on the Evora.

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Oh, I forgot to say congrats on getting your 410 BTW.
I test drive one here in Dubai back to back Vs the 2014 Evora S that I bought.

You could definitely feel the improvements over the earlier car - gear change / clutch action, engine smoothness / NVH were all stand-out. I guess 'cause the torque is similar it didn't feel hugely faster than the S, but it was more responsive. All that carbon is eye candy too although the angle of the Cup seats didnt suit me - I'm sure it could be adjusted.
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Iím going to try to put washers in the front end of the mounts to tilt the seats back a bit. Hopefully that works. Otherwise I will have to find a way to mount wider aftermarket carbon buckets because I donít want to add weight and raise the seats.

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Took the car to the track on Sunday and I must say it performed way beyond my expectations! Couldnít be happier with the purchase. The 2 hour drive to the track was fun though the seats could have been reclined a wee bit and could have provided a bit more thigh support.

At the track I couldnít find the limits of the car in the sense that the tires werenít complaining at all. I was taking sweepers at a speed I was almost comfortable with that in hindsight I couldíve taken maybe 40km/h more. It was as if the car was saying, ďThatís all youíve got? Seriously? Címon! I can do much more than that!Ē The upside is Iíll probably have a couple more years learning the car before I reach its limits on track and need to get a better car. I can imagine the next logical step is a Radical or something similar.

I had a more experienced friend take me on a few laps and true enough, he was taking fast sweepers 20-30 km/h more than I was and while the body roll suggested that we shouldnít go any faster, the car just stuck to the line. I couldnít believe it!

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Turn 1 has a pretty large runoff and I keep on forgetting so I often misjudge the braking point so Iíll end up too hot at the turn in point that I miss the apex by a mile! Haha! this corner always gives me problems my first time out for the day.



Other than that, the rest of the day went smooth.










I think a tune + headers + CAI (for sound) + baffle pan together with uprated suspension (Ohlins TTX with mechatronic or Penskes single adjustables) and Tillett B5s and itís perfect. Heck, the tune can wait.

Oh and the car really needs some useful gauges. Like so:



If only I can figure out where to mount it.
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Well done for putting your 410 to good use.... enjoy & repeat
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Have been taking the car to the track every chance I get. Over a course of a few weeks Iíve been able to shave around 7 seconds off my times...from 2:02 to 1:54. I find the car leans a bit to much for my taste but Iím not sure I want to mess with the carís balance, steering and handling if I upgrade my dampers and get some proper coilovers.

The other thing Iíve noticed is the car can use a bit more power and breathe a bit more on the top end. Add to that that the car is often tracked combined with reports of the cats failing and the solution was obvious. An email to Jim Valentine of 2bular and now theyíre here. Install should be done by midweek.




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Nothing wrong with lean so long as sheís sticking where you want her to. In less agile cars, less compliant cars, body roll means lack of cornering. Sounds like you are trusting Lotus for what they know how to do.

Love it when you spoke of her asking if that was all you have!

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The BOE CAI is not compatible with the 400/410, only the S1 Evoras.
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I use my car in the US southeast. This summer it's rarely indicated less than 95F on the road, more usually over 100 and high humidity. I've been in traffic on a day that indicated 111F, the hottest I've seen here in my car. The car's AC continues to pump out cold air and there's never been a sign of distress from the cooling system. These are not your father's XKE.

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When I test drove the car prior to purchasing the AC wasnít cold. I had them check it before I took delivery. I was told that they were delivered with less than the recommended refrigerant. They topped it off and now I barely go past the second or third position. Itís too cold if anything actually!

The car has been pretty bulletproof actually. The install of the 2bulae exhaust hopefully provides a bit more breathing and power. Iím still considering coilovers to handle the excessive (for me) lean and hopefully get a bit more grip. But thatís something that needs quite a bit more thought and research.

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Congrats! I don't see the pics!

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I thought that was just me. I messaged admin already. I think thereís an issue with this website and tinypic.

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@Rainmaker Congrats on the 410! Awesome car!

If it were me, I would run the engine in, bed the brake pads, and then drive it as much as you can. Get to know how the car drives and reacts both on & off track. Once you have a good handle on it, then prioritize & address the items that you would like to improve on.

For me, improving without a baseline is just not fun. While I take my Evora on the track quite often, it's not a competition car so the journey to improvements is just as fun as realizing themĖthat's just me, I know others are different. But also on an economy level, if a system doesn't need improving, swapping parts cost money and time, and often creates installation and maintenance hassle where the stock part would have been good-to-go from the beginning.

Here are some opinioms regarding your questions:

  1. My first thought is often: What problem are your trying to fix or why are you trying to improve it? Often overlooked but this is equally important when considering radiators, catch cans, oil pans, water injection, and other 'support' systems.
  2. Do complimenting modifications one-at-a-time. Doing simultaneous mods will make it harder to know which is most effective in improving one system and which is causing problems if some arise.
  3. Oil Pan: I haven't heard of any oil starvation problems so I don't see a need for a baffled or high-capacity pan unless you are truly competing or running slicks. But if you choose the Moroso, they are reported to leak--BOE sells their own gasket and if it works like it should, I would not consider the Moroso without it. We ( @HethelSport have been able to get Moroso pans for years but have chosen not to offer them because the risk:reward ratio just doesn't seem to be worth it.
  4. Dampers: What do you want them to improve upon? I sell ÷hlins TTX but I don't advertise it... they are the very best, they are expensive, and for 99.9% of the people, they will make their car worse overall. Setting up double or triple adjustable dampers is one of the most complex parts of tuning a race car and needs a lot of experience and skill (I've spent 20+ years on the track and around racers--with literally thousands of hours driving, racing, or instructing--and I know less than 10 people that I would trust to properly tune adjustable dampers. Also, keep in mind that quality double/triple dampers (and many singles too) have a lifespan of 5-20k miles before needing a refresh--they really don't belong on the street. (Plug: That being said, were done with our damper development and our first small first batch will be available in September. They will fit like the stock Bilsteins, have the quality & performance of ÷hlins, and be very affordable).
  5. Our @HethelSport bumpers are hand-crafted with fiberglass and the carbon trim is real carbon fiber overlayed on the fiberglass with UV protection. It' really is tough to beat the poly-injected factory bumpers for weight and even tougher to beat the factory carbon so we're not trying. Pricing is tricky because Lotus lists each bumper as as an individual piece which means the trim, lights, and accents are additional purchases & costs. I'm not knocking them thoughĖthey are great pieces, and buyers that can afford the price and long wait times from Lotus will end up with a great car. I just think ours are more reasonably priced, look just as great, and are usually available quickly.
Obviously, my opinion is biased, and I'm sure others have differing comments... and that's cool too.

And thanks @Likuid ĖI would have missed the original post if you didn't mention HethelSport.
I hope this helps, and I hope you have fun with your new awesome car!

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just for a clarifying note on the Moroso oil pans.

They are well made and nicely constructed. They add a bit of capacity as well and options for extra sensor pickups should you need that (likely not).

They do seep-the leaking is all in how you install and manage the o-ring gasket, as well as the threads on all of the studs and nuts that hold the pan on. I dropped mine and applied some blue hylomar on the outside of the o-ring edge to shore that up, and it solved the seep from the edge. Next was handling the threads on the studs, which just requires thread locking with an appropriate oil and heat resistant sealant, or a tiny bit of RTV style that breaks and cleans easily.

Had I done that when installing, probably wouldn't have had an issue. Still had some negligible seep on occasion, but just enough to make a little greasy mess on the pan.

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Hi Sherman,

Thanks for the comprehensive reply. Itís me, Ricky. The bumpers are supposed to get to me in 10-14 days. :-)

Iíve driven the car for 3,000 km now, mostly track and to and fro.

Other than a 2bular exhaust and some minor stuff Iíve left it as is. Itís a very capable car on track.

The only other things Iím looking to do are: (1) maybe getting a 19Ē set of wheels so I can put on slightly wider tires and (2) replace my rotors with ultradiscs once they need replacing. Well, maybe an LSD but Iím still looking into that and figuring out whether I need one. My car is an auto (mine is the only 410 the dealer brought in so there was no choice in that) so it doesnít come with an LSD. I wonder why lotus didnít put one in on the autos...any idea?
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Other than a 2bular exhaust and some minor stuff Iíve left it as is. Itís a very capable car on track.
Which 2bular exhaust did you get?

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