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Too bad it rains here in the north east. Hard top with integrated windshield option or drains?
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The car designer was going to look into a top/windscreen option.

For me, I think drains and towels.

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The car designer was going to look into a top/windscreen option.

For me, I think drains and towels.
You don't need a top or a windscreen but a tent is worthwhile
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Questions questions questions.

First off, congratulations on the ride as a ride and a business venture. I wish you great success.

Now I want to know about the Toniq. The way-back position seems like it would be super awkward. Though it must not be or cars like that wouldn't be so popular. So I'm hoping you can articulate what it's like for the rest of us.

Keep in mind, these questions are specific to the seat position. I know there are tons of other differences between a car like this and a normal street car. But IMO those differences are easier to imagine.

* If you come from a forward position like in the Elise, Boxster, etc, do you notice the difference of being so far behind the front wheels?
* Until you adjust to it, is this difference perceived as a negative in any way or just different?
* Whether positive, negative, or indifferent, is the difference hard or impossible to adjust to? eg, are you constantly aware that you're steering from way behind the front wheels?

PS: as you no doubt know already, I really admire your choice of Boxster for a daily driver. The 07 or later S model is particularly sexy!

PPS: Not having an AC does not distinguish the Toniq from an Elise. Not having an AC button or dial does but the lack of AC is something they both share.
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Patrick, one of my first plans is to go to Calif Car Cover and get something like that made.

XP, I did not feel awkward at all in the driving position, and I am a real midengined guy. It seemed quite normal after a few minutes. I think there is even a positive thing about seeing a larger portion of the car in front of you.

Anyway, I don't feel it is that noticeable, just like I am not struck by the Elise being different since you are a little further forward. Basically a non-issue. It is just a little different and I think slightly a positive experience... and you will not be thinking about it 30 seconds after driving in my opinion.

lol at lack of AC. Yeah... part of my thought on that is I have a system in a car, I want one that works. Or just not have it all. I will not miss the AC being gone, since it barely worked in my Elise. Note that in other Elise cars, the AC worked great. Mine was never good and at times awful. I will miss the heater though... but as the Toniq guys said to me, there is never a poor weather to drive the car in, it is only a matter of being properly dressed for it. Rain, cold... its all fun.


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The biggest difference in regards to the "feel" of the rearward driving position, is that oversteer is exaggerated by being at the end of the pendulum, rather than at the center of the angle of rotation. This means, you feel the rear of the car moving around more, and you are initially quicker to react to it. It also means you get comfortable driving the car with the rear-end sliding around more. Which, personally, I find to be more fun...

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Well, I missed this when it was first posted. Wow. At least you're going in the same direction (MR2 --> Elise --> Toniq R)! Looks like a ton of fun.

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I always wanted to just drive my shifter kart on the streets. I am just getting closer and closer.

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Wow Randy, I just saw this thread - surprising news but after reading all your reasons, it makes sense. And the Lotus will be in good hands from what you said. I looked at some photos of when you had the Lotus in Austin en route to California. Good memories.

Best of luck with the Toniq!

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Hey Keith,

When I sold the car, I reread the thread about my journey and looked at the pics again. It was kinda nostalgic. Good times.

Maybe I need to now do a reverse trip. Drive the Toniq to Deal's Gap.

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Hey Keith,

When I sold the car, I reread the thread about my journey and looked at the pics again. It was kinda nostalgic. Good times.

Maybe I need to now do a reverse trip. Drive the Toniq to Deal's Gap.
If you are in that area, then you will have to do VIR. I'd be happy to show the ropes there...

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Randy,

You have 2 more converts to the Toniq. "Oh, Dad. We've gotta get one of those!"

This one is my 10 year old daughter's creation:
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and this one is my 8 year old daughter's creation:
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Thanks . I've got to stop them from looking over my shoulder when I'm on this forum.

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Thanks . I've got to stop them from looking over my shoulder when I'm on this forum.
Or logging into the forum when you're away...

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Or logging into the forum when you're away...
They haven't hacked my account again, have they?
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They haven't hacked my account again, have they?
I do think that Randy had to delete some photos posted the other day - let me check my PMs to see if I still have those errrr...risque photos that I received... Aren't kids great?

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I do think that Randy had to delete some photos posted the other day - let me check my PMs to see if I still have those errrr...risque photos that I received... Aren't kids great?
Gotcha there John. If they were risque photos with me involved you would have deleted them yourself!!!!
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Maybe I need to now do a reverse trip. Drive the Toniq to Deal's Gap.
Randy - with you driving the Toniq on Deal's Gap - now that would be truly epic!

If you make the trip you are more than welcome to crash with Adrienne and I again.

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Randy,

You have 2 more converts to the Toniq. "Oh, Dad. We've gotta get one of those!"

This one is my 10 year old daughter's creation:
Attachment 72900

and this one is my 8 year old daughter's creation:
Attachment 72901

Thanks . I've got to stop them from looking over my shoulder when I'm on this forum.
Looks like the 10 year old is/will be a true Lotus fan

The 8 year old should have been born in the 80s. Can you say Sonny Crocket.
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Missed this entire thang compadre!

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A bit of a sad day with some mixed feelings.

It is a bit sad for me, since this is the car I have had for 3 and 1/2 years. The car I drove from Georgia to San Diego in 2.5 days.

This will be a 2.4l Duratec turbo engine Seven clone called a Toniq R. More info to follow on that. Seems it will be even more pure of purpose. No ABS, alarm, AC, heater, stereo, windshield, roof.

I might also be picking up a Porsche Boxster S for a daily driver. That is being negotiated.
We all go on in life.

You're doing the right thing. A dedicated track /auto-X'er and a Porsche to enjoy them SoCal highways.

Used to own an original Lotus 7. That was some vehicle indeed. This Toniq R. priced well? Most are having a hard-on over the Ariel these days but that car is just priced silly.

Did you ever publish your trip report from Atlanta to California?

Have fun amigo.




Is it just me, or did this trip go downhill since we ran out of Lucky Lager
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