The Toniq Build - LotusTalk - The Lotus Cars Community
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
post #1 of 40 (permalink) Old 09-23-2009, 11:23 AM Thread Starter
Forum Founder
 
Randy Chase's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Tail of the Dragon
Posts: 29,082
Garage
The Toniq Build

I thought I would start a new thread to document our Toniq build and post some pictures.

First, a bit about the car. The idea was done in 2003 by a team from a university in the UK to make a new car, a "Seven" clone, but one updated for to look more modern and stylish (not to say that the existing Sevens and clones lack any style!). And at the same time, make a modern performing car that would rival anything else as far as the driving experience. The head guy is and was, Colin Williams out of Cornwall.

Official site-
Toniq R - Bespoke Specialist Sports Cars - Refresh Your Ride!

The latest generation is the Toniq CB. This incorporates some major improvements to the car. Round tube chassis (lighter and stiffer), Pushrod inboard front and rear double wishbone suspension. The suspension engineer is someone well known to Lotus fans. Other minor improvements abound, including a removable windscreen option, digital dash option and more.

The car is normally fitted for a Mazda/Duratec engine -OR- with a motorcycle engine and a 6 speed sequential tranny (button shifters) with included reverse gear.

A review by Evo-
Toniq-R | evo Car Reviews | Car Reviews | evo
Quote:
Part hotrod, part spaceship, the Toniq-R is definitely a Marmite car. Personally, I think it looks terrific, a really bold take on a classic formula
In a nutshell... what it is, is a PURE SPORTSCAR. How pure do you want the experience? A frame with an engine and two seats and a way to steer the bloody thing. No doors. No windows. No heater. No AC. No alarm system. No immobilizer. No fobs. No stereo. No GPS. No trunk or boot. No ABS or traction control. No carpet. What there is, is a tube frame, sophisticated suspension, carbon fiber and fiberglass and gobs of power. You can feel the wind in your face, and see the front wheels hit the apexes. Raw yet sophisticated. Pure but with style.

NOTHING TO GET BETWEEN YOU AND THE EXPERIENCE. And at an affordable price.

#somethingwickedthiswaycomes... the new Origin Noble M and the Origin 7

Zenos E10S for Sale! www.zenosforsale.com

There are some very shady dealers in the Lotus business.

2005 Lotus Elise, 1993 MR2, 1995 MR2, 125cc Shifter Kart, Toniq (in build), 2018 Origin 7 (waiting), 2018 Origin Noble M (waiting)
Randy Chase is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 40 (permalink) Old 09-23-2009, 11:23 AM Thread Starter
Forum Founder
 
Randy Chase's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Tail of the Dragon
Posts: 29,082
Garage
The previous generation-

Note the round bullet style billet aluminum front and rear lights. Sadly these are now gone.

The car was offered in either a Duratec engine, or with a Honda Fireblade motorcycle engine and a 6 speed sequential shifter.
Attached Images
         

#somethingwickedthiswaycomes... the new Origin Noble M and the Origin 7

Zenos E10S for Sale! www.zenosforsale.com

There are some very shady dealers in the Lotus business.

2005 Lotus Elise, 1993 MR2, 1995 MR2, 125cc Shifter Kart, Toniq (in build), 2018 Origin 7 (waiting), 2018 Origin Noble M (waiting)
Randy Chase is offline  
post #3 of 40 (permalink) Old 09-23-2009, 11:24 AM Thread Starter
Forum Founder
 
Randy Chase's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Tail of the Dragon
Posts: 29,082
Garage
New generation-

To be posted once we get full pictures of a completed car.

#somethingwickedthiswaycomes... the new Origin Noble M and the Origin 7

Zenos E10S for Sale! www.zenosforsale.com

There are some very shady dealers in the Lotus business.

2005 Lotus Elise, 1993 MR2, 1995 MR2, 125cc Shifter Kart, Toniq (in build), 2018 Origin 7 (waiting), 2018 Origin Noble M (waiting)
Randy Chase is offline  
 
post #4 of 40 (permalink) Old 09-23-2009, 11:24 AM Thread Starter
Forum Founder
 
Randy Chase's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Tail of the Dragon
Posts: 29,082
Garage
Specs

To be posted

#somethingwickedthiswaycomes... the new Origin Noble M and the Origin 7

Zenos E10S for Sale! www.zenosforsale.com

There are some very shady dealers in the Lotus business.

2005 Lotus Elise, 1993 MR2, 1995 MR2, 125cc Shifter Kart, Toniq (in build), 2018 Origin 7 (waiting), 2018 Origin Noble M (waiting)
Randy Chase is offline  
post #5 of 40 (permalink) Old 09-23-2009, 11:24 AM Thread Starter
Forum Founder
 
Randy Chase's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Tail of the Dragon
Posts: 29,082
Garage
US Pricing, shipping details, etc.

Typical car WITHOUT Drivetrain will be approx $28k + $2k shipping into the USA. This is just an estimate for consideration and will be dependent on the exchange rate with the UK Pound.

Roller:
• Powder coated tube framed chassis
• Powder coated aluminium interior panels
• Front and rear wishbones with pushrods and rockers
• Front and rear uprights with hubs, bearings, brake disks and callipers
• Pedal box assembly, master cylinders, brake bias bar
• Steering column and linkage
• Front and rear dampers
• Steering rack
• Brake line/hose kit
• Hand brake kit
• Fuel lines, tank, pump and sender
• Main chassis wiring loom
• 15” Pro Race 2 Wheels with Yokohama 195/50/15 A048 tyres
• Full fibreglass body set in natural finish – requires paint
• All light units – main, side, front & rear indicator, side repeater, stop, tail, and reverse
• AIM or Race Technology digital dash
• All switches
• Steering wheel covered in suede
• Tillet composite seats (adjustable)
• Schrothe camlock Harnesses
• Aero Locking Fuel Cap
• Front grill
• Rollbar with rear bracing
• Hand brake gaitor
• Master kill switch
• Mirrors
• Master kill switch
• Engine/gearbox mounts
• Propshaft
• Driveshafts
• Differential Mazda Limited Slip
• Exhaust system complete
• Radiator with fan
• Water pipes and hoses
• Header tank
• Battery


Drivetrain options:
2.0l Mazda engine, 6 speed Mazda gearbox
Mazda Renesis Engine
Kawasaki ZX14 engine, 6 speed sequential shifter

OPTIONS"
Full SCCA roll cage by CAGED
Paint Two tone metallic scheme
Custom and pearl paints
Racing Nose Module
Race Technology Digital Dash
ChaseCam DATA + Video recorder
Windscreen Module plus wipers


Shipping. Above chassis and body bits are shipped from England. Estimated delivery is 8 weeks after order. Delivery is grouped with other cars in a container to save costs. Estimated shipping via boat is $2000 and FOB Long Beach, CA. We may arrange alternate ports.

Unassembled Kit. Reduce MSRP by $3000.

#somethingwickedthiswaycomes... the new Origin Noble M and the Origin 7

Zenos E10S for Sale! www.zenosforsale.com

There are some very shady dealers in the Lotus business.

2005 Lotus Elise, 1993 MR2, 1995 MR2, 125cc Shifter Kart, Toniq (in build), 2018 Origin 7 (waiting), 2018 Origin Noble M (waiting)
Randy Chase is offline  
post #6 of 40 (permalink) Old 09-23-2009, 11:25 AM Thread Starter
Forum Founder
 
Randy Chase's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Tail of the Dragon
Posts: 29,082
Garage
The build of my car.

I started looking at the Toniq some years ago, as my UK company man was associated with them (and Westfield too). The idea was intriguing to me and we flew over to UK and did a nice test drive of one of the original cars on an empty airport tarmac. Tossing the car about at over 100mph was a bit of fun.

We kept in touch with Colin at Toniq and kept abreast of the car's developments, and also offered some ideas for what the car would need to be sold in the USA.

I went out to Cornwall in 2008 to meet at their facility and also to test drive the Fireblade powered car through the English countryside at speed. It was stunning and lots of fun. Colin told us that he was developing some new lights, new suspension, new front nose and more. I wanted to see the new car and Colin offered to meet us during our UK trip to show us the recent developments. He was transporting a car to the tuning shop not too far outside of Wales where we were going to be staying.


A pic showing designer Colin meeting with us with the partially completed car on a trailer-



This is a picture of the racing version front end nose cone.


Here is car designer Colin holding up the new light pods in their approximate location for the street nose cone.


Rear lights


Duratec engine

This one is tuned for near 300hp at the wheels

Front suspension


The grill (or me just "cupping" the car



Nice stacks
Attached Images
 

#somethingwickedthiswaycomes... the new Origin Noble M and the Origin 7

Zenos E10S for Sale! www.zenosforsale.com

There are some very shady dealers in the Lotus business.

2005 Lotus Elise, 1993 MR2, 1995 MR2, 125cc Shifter Kart, Toniq (in build), 2018 Origin 7 (waiting), 2018 Origin Noble M (waiting)
Randy Chase is offline  
post #7 of 40 (permalink) Old 09-23-2009, 11:25 AM Thread Starter
Forum Founder
 
Randy Chase's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Tail of the Dragon
Posts: 29,082
Garage
To be posted

#somethingwickedthiswaycomes... the new Origin Noble M and the Origin 7

Zenos E10S for Sale! www.zenosforsale.com

There are some very shady dealers in the Lotus business.

2005 Lotus Elise, 1993 MR2, 1995 MR2, 125cc Shifter Kart, Toniq (in build), 2018 Origin 7 (waiting), 2018 Origin Noble M (waiting)
Randy Chase is offline  
post #8 of 40 (permalink) Old 09-23-2009, 11:29 AM
Registered User
 
CrazyDiamond's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: San Diego, CA
Posts: 381
The Toniq ROCKS

Plans for SEMA?

"Follow your bliss and the universe will open doors where there were only walls." ~Joseph Campbell
CrazyDiamond is offline  
post #9 of 40 (permalink) Old 09-23-2009, 11:48 AM
Registered User
 
fitfan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: San Diego!
Posts: 7,116
man... why you gotta be like that

"I really started paying attention to cars was when they came out with the Nissan Z, the first body. Then I seen the Cherokees, the old square ones, and I was like, “Wow, that’s cool.” Then I seen the Isuzu jeeps and I seen the Wranglers."
-Lotus Cars VP of Global Design
fitfan is offline  
post #10 of 40 (permalink) Old 09-23-2009, 12:53 PM
Registered User
 
ms355's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Germany
Posts: 2,185
A very cool car. What I liked most is, that - other than on 7/Caterham/Donkervoort etc. - you feel cocooned and safe when sitting in it because of the high shoulders.
Attached Images
 
ms355 is offline  
post #11 of 40 (permalink) Old 09-23-2009, 01:50 PM
Registered User
 
fitfan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: San Diego!
Posts: 7,116
Quote:
Originally Posted by ms355 View Post
A very cool car. What I liked most is, that - other than on 7/Caterham/Donkervoort etc. - you feel cocooned and safe when sitting in it because of the high shoulders.
side crash beams or structure up high?

thats the thing that freaks me out about 7/clones too - your upper torso is just "hanging out there" - unless you wrap a cage around the OUTSIDE of one...

"I really started paying attention to cars was when they came out with the Nissan Z, the first body. Then I seen the Cherokees, the old square ones, and I was like, “Wow, that’s cool.” Then I seen the Isuzu jeeps and I seen the Wranglers."
-Lotus Cars VP of Global Design
fitfan is offline  
post #12 of 40 (permalink) Old 09-23-2009, 03:24 PM
Seb
BANNED
 
Seb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 1,012
That car needs a 4G63T.
Seb is offline  
post #13 of 40 (permalink) Old 09-23-2009, 03:38 PM
Registered User
 
jasper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Dallas, Texas
Posts: 357
Quote:
Originally Posted by Seb View Post
That car needs a 4G63T.
Thats the last thing it needs. 300whp in a car of that weight is just shy of ridiculous. I have a pretty tame 200hp zetec in my Caterham and its more than enough for me (but i may be old and boring) but I really couldn't imagine what would happen when the boost kicks in on some 400 + horsepower motor - sounds fun on paper, but the nauseating stench from a combination of tire smoke and the load in your pants would get old fast

2006 Exige (wife's car)
2005 Caterham Superlight (4 wheel motorcycle)
2004 Subaru STI (Urban Assault Vehicle)
1966 Lincoln Continental - in progress (dropped and chopped)
jasper is offline  
post #14 of 40 (permalink) Old 09-23-2009, 03:50 PM
Registered User
 
mopho's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Bay Area
Posts: 5,698
Quote:
Originally Posted by Seb View Post
That car needs a 4G63T.

Why?

________________
2004 Caterham 7 Superlight R -
05 Elise SC
67 Lotus Elan (sold)

mopho is offline  
post #15 of 40 (permalink) Old 09-23-2009, 03:55 PM
Seb
BANNED
 
Seb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 1,012
A) The engine has incredible potential.
B) The engine is very versatile.
C) With the correct turbo you can either choose to run 200hp or 300hp at the flick of a switch.
D) Internals are cheap and readily available.
E) Transmission is rock solid.
F) Internals are tough.

It's quite possibly the best factory boosted 4 cylinder in the world. You don't HAVE to run retarded amounts of power with it, but the output can be changed so easily, so if you ever get bored all you have to do is turn up the boost. As long as you have a solid tune, the possibilities are endless.

After all, a 500hp caterham exists....
Seb is offline  
post #16 of 40 (permalink) Old 09-23-2009, 04:02 PM
Registered User
 
mopho's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Bay Area
Posts: 5,698
Quote:
Originally Posted by Seb View Post
A) The engine has incredible potential.
B) The engine is very versatile.
C) With the correct turbo you can either choose to run 200hp or 300hp at the flick of a switch.
D) Internals are cheap and readily available.
E) Transmission is rock solid.
F) Internals are tough.

It's quite possibly the best factory boosted 4 cylinder in the world.

And so does the Duratec. It is just as good and doesn't need to be boosted to produce such hp. NA= better, especially in such a light car

Transmission would not work in this application, engine goes in longitudinally


.

________________
2004 Caterham 7 Superlight R -
05 Elise SC
67 Lotus Elan (sold)

mopho is offline  
post #17 of 40 (permalink) Old 09-23-2009, 04:05 PM Thread Starter
Forum Founder
 
Randy Chase's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Tail of the Dragon
Posts: 29,082
Garage
Quote:
Originally Posted by jasper View Post
Thats the last thing it needs. 300whp in a car of that weight is just shy of ridiculous.

I think for me a sweet spot will be about 250whp. For competition autocrossing, I am thinking around 300whp.

I find that the 500hp on my Noble at 2350 pounds is silly for street. I mean silly in an awesome way, but I typically leave it in valet mode and drive it at 325whp.

With only 1100 pounds, the Toniq with 250+whp is nuts.

#somethingwickedthiswaycomes... the new Origin Noble M and the Origin 7

Zenos E10S for Sale! www.zenosforsale.com

There are some very shady dealers in the Lotus business.

2005 Lotus Elise, 1993 MR2, 1995 MR2, 125cc Shifter Kart, Toniq (in build), 2018 Origin 7 (waiting), 2018 Origin Noble M (waiting)
Randy Chase is offline  
post #18 of 40 (permalink) Old 09-23-2009, 04:08 PM
Registered User
 
mopho's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Bay Area
Posts: 5,698
Quote:
Originally Posted by Seb View Post
A

After all, a 500hp caterham exists....

The 500hp Caterham is also a V8 that is basically two motorcycle engines put together, so while it may produce a lot of hp, it doesn't produce torque like a 500hp turbo motor would, and even at that, it just spins its wheels


There are some folks who have built silly big turbo motors in Sevens, they brag about how great it is, but after some prodding they admit they mostly have straight roads to drive on. Sort of not the point of these kinds cars

________________
2004 Caterham 7 Superlight R -
05 Elise SC
67 Lotus Elan (sold)


Last edited by mopho; 09-23-2009 at 04:14 PM.
mopho is offline  
post #19 of 40 (permalink) Old 09-23-2009, 04:18 PM
Seb
BANNED
 
Seb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 1,012
I'm not denying, that's where multi stage boost controllers come in.
Seb is offline  
post #20 of 40 (permalink) Old 09-23-2009, 04:19 PM
Registered User
 
mopho's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Bay Area
Posts: 5,698
Quote:
Originally Posted by Seb View Post
I'm not denying, that's where multi stage boost controllers come in.

________________
2004 Caterham 7 Superlight R -
05 Elise SC
67 Lotus Elan (sold)

mopho is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

  LotusTalk - The Lotus Cars Community > Lotus Discussions > Lotus Inspired Cars or Cars with Lotus DNA

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the LotusTalk - The Lotus Cars Community forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in











Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome