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Finally getting to makeover the 2+1 garage in a house we bought last year.

Custom Garage Works out of Dallas will be doing the floor, then install a 4-post lift (Rotary), after lifting my garage tracks and installing a LiftMaster 8500 wall-mounted drive to open/close the door (2-car). Here are some details:

Floor: Polyaspartic single colour (no granite-like chips, but rather, the flakes are the same colour as the base (silver/blue). I didn't want the multi-colour flakes which are so popular, because I plan on restoring a car there and it's easier to see small fasteners when I drop them if they are against a solid background. These flakes are basically for strength and durability, not decoration. Prep is diamond grinding (the only way to go, really). They guarantee their work and have been around for a good while. It's a 2-day turnaround. They bull-nose the floor opening to the garage as well, and include the stem walls in the coating (about 4 inches vertical). Interestingly, the owner of the company restores Mustangs, and welds/grinds over this type of floor. I'll still use a welding blanket, however. I've already painted the walls high-gloss silver with black trim (also high-gloss). The gloss is for light reflection.

Garage Door: Tracks will be raised to 6-8 inches below the ceiling. Alongside the door, the opener will be mounted to the wall and to the torsion bar, so the normal opener will be deleted. Later, I plan to put up a panel just below the tracks, which will hide the door when raised, and will also provide more light reflection when painted (white gloss). Ceilings are 10 foot. Cars on/under the lift will be the Elise, a Mini, and other smaller vehicles (future). I don't know if I'll go with a single or dual spring (it's single at present), but a dual setup is obviously safer.

Lift: They only deal with Rotary, and it's a good, if expensive, lift. I'm opting for their high-lift model, which is a 9000 lb. unit. This is installed on the second day, and includes drip trays, a sliding jack tray, and a set of casters for moving the thing around. It's 110-volt, as usual in most of these lifts for the home. One problem is that I cannot find bottle jacks for the jack tray that are short enough to fit under the Elise. One thing I'm wanting to do is to use the 4-post and my scales for corner weighting...don't know if this will work yet.

After that will come an 80-gallon air compressor, 22 scfm at 90 psi, plumbed with RapidAir, but the floor has to be done first. The compressor is needed for the media cabinet, mainly, also coming. Getting air in there will be great, but will have to get a couple of 220-volt circuits....that's something I don't know how to do (safely).

Site visit is 25 September, and the work will be done over the next two weeks when they can schedule it. I'll post pics before, during, and after the work. I already have red and stainless peg boards up.

I just wonder what I've forgotten.....There's that nagging feeling. I'll report back on CGW's work.

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Don't forgot lighting. Lots of great lighting. I do a lot of woodworking and have a shop. However much light you have, go for more!

Also, I see you are in Texas so probably don't have to worry about it, but if I were to do a mac daddy garage, I'd install a proper garage heater.
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Don't forgot lighting. Lots of great lighting. I do a lot of woodworking and have a shop. However much light you have, go for more!

Also, I see you are in Texas so probably don't have to worry about it, but if I were to do a mac daddy garage, I'd install a proper garage heater.
Air conditioner more like it.. There are maybe 3 days a year you'd need a heater!

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I just finished my high lift conversion, and 8500 install over the weekend. I can't believe I waited this long, because it's awesome. Unfortunately, I found myself browsing CL this morning for another car. Lather, rinse, repeat?
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And yes, lots of lighting!
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Air conditioner more like it.. There are maybe 3 days a year you'd need a heater!
I was in Lowe's the other day and they had those portable A/C units on sale.... it did get me thinking about a cooler garage, mainly to keep the mosquitoes out in the summer.

Years ago, in our first house, I painted the walls bright gloss white and the floor bright yellow. I hung 4 big fluorescent fixtures and it was pretty awesome. You could roll under the car and not need any additional light to see everything. All the light was reflected up. Anything you dropped could be seen from across the garage. Not recommending it, just commenting on how nice your setup will be.

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Don't forgot lighting. Lots of great lighting. I do a lot of woodworking and have a shop. However much light you have, go for more!

Also, I see you are in Texas so probably don't have to worry about it, but if I were to do a mac daddy garage, I'd install a proper garage heater.
Yep, I hear you on the lighting. I've doubled it and still probably need more. My problem is that the garage door, when up, blocks the flourescent lights. I moved a couple, but it's still a bummer. That's why I'm putting in a false ceiling "hider" panel just under my raised garage tracks - I'll mount them there.

As for heat, our winters are short but severe (I can hear the Minnesota/Wisconsin guys laughing in derision right about now), and a temporary propane unit may be all that is needed.

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I was in Lowe's the other day and they had those portable A/C units on sale.... it did get me thinking about a cooler garage, mainly to keep the mosquitoes out in the summer.

Years ago, in our first house, I painted the walls bright gloss white and the floor bright yellow. I hung 4 big fluorescent fixtures and it was pretty awesome. You could roll under the car and not need any additional light to see everything. All the light was reflected up. Anything you dropped could be seen from across the garage. Not recommending it, just commenting on how nice your setup will be.
I did the same thing with the high-gloss walls, only I chose a silver. The floor will be a silver/blue, also high-gloss, for exactly the reason you point out. Not sure I could handle yellow...my wife would probably have a comment or three about that. I've got 4 double fixtures in there now, but it's not enough (4-feet long). Hope the gloss floor will make a big difference.

I'll check out the portable A/C unit. Right now I'm just running an anemic fan and enduring it. Wonder how much space it can cool? Thanks for the heads up....Stephen

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Sliding jack on the lift?
It's just a sliding jack tray. You put bottle jacks on it to lift the car, normally. They have full two-point jacks that slide in between the runners, but they are mega expensive. That's the "100% solution," though, for a 4-poster.

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I feel that the fluorescent lights should be placed where the ceiling and walls meet, angled down at 45 degrees.

This has worked well for me.

Downward facing lights shine only, uh, down.

The above method floods a lot more light throughout entire workspace.

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I feel that the fluorescent lights should be placed where the ceiling and walls meet, angled down at 45 degrees.

This has worked well for me.

Downward facing lights shine only, uh, down.

The above method floods a lot more light throughout entire workspace.
You know, I never thought of that...good idea. I'll make some brackets and give it a shot once all the other "stuff" is done.

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I think you'll like it. Makes more sense than lighting down only.

Let us know what you think.

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It's just a sliding jack tray. You put bottle jacks on it to lift the car, normally. They have full two-point jacks that slide in between the runners, but they are mega expensive. That's the "100% solution," though, for a 4-poster.
Yes, I'm aware of the difference between a jack tray and a sliding hydraulic jack. I have both on my lift and was asking if you'd considered the latter, as you'd asked for additional suggestions. If you have a jack and a jack tray, you can put the whole car up in a pinch.

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I feel that the fluorescent lights should be placed where the ceiling and walls meet, angled down at 45 degrees.

This has worked well for me.

Downward facing lights shine only, uh, down.

The above method floods a lot more light throughout entire workspace.
My garage isn't finished inside so it doesn't have an actual ceiling, but I positioned the lights at 45 degrees, and it's bright enough to do brain surgery in there. Run the lights the entire length of the sides and back. I put two incandescent bulb fixtures in the ceiling, so I don't have to turn on the whole fluorescent setup when I come in just to get a rake or something.



Would window blinds help with your temps? They made a huge difference in mine by keeping the sunlight out all day. Given our climate differences, they may not help you. I shopped around for best prices, and ordered bamboo shades from Home Depot online.

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Yes, I'm aware of the difference between a jack tray and a sliding hydraulic jack. I have both on my lift and was asking if you'd considered the latter, as you'd asked for additional suggestions. If you have a jack and a jack tray, you can put the whole car up in a pinch.

Oh, I see. The sliding hydraulic jack may come later, as I have to get air to both garages next. I'm thinking of two jack trays to get the Elise in the air, with bottle jacks then stands. That should work OK, I'm thinking, at least for now. Or am I missing something?

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Yes, I'm aware of the difference between a jack tray and a sliding hydraulic jack. I have both on my lift and was asking if you'd considered the latter, as you'd asked for additional suggestions. If you have a jack and a jack tray, you can put the whole car up in a pinch.



My garage isn't finished inside so it doesn't have an actual ceiling, but I positioned the lights at 45 degrees, and it's bright enough to do brain surgery in there. Run the lights the entire length of the sides and back. I put two incandescent bulb fixtures in the ceiling, so I don't have to turn on the whole fluorescent setup when I come in just to get a rake or something.



Would window blinds help with your temps? They made a huge difference in mine by keeping the sunlight out all day. Given our climate differences, they may not help you. I shopped around for best prices, and ordered bamboo shades from Home Depot online.
I really like what you've done there. Funny, I had not thought of the 45-degree mounting, but it makes a lot of sense.

The setup is a deep 1-car which has a window and blinds, separated by about 25 feet to an oversized 2-car with no windows except a man door with one large (5 foot) window that is shaded by several large trees.

How many circuits did you use for the lighting in there? I have 200-amp service in a box that's nearly full, so I'm thinking of another service panel install to handle some additional 110-volt and a couple of 220-volt circuits for the air compressor and welders.


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I was in Lowe's the other day and they had those portable A/C units on sale.... it did get me thinking about a cooler garage, mainly to keep the mosquitoes out in the summer.
Jefrac,

I checked out those portable AC units from Lowe's online. It's a good idea, but the reviews were all over the map. Plus, venting the hot air outside will mean a hole in the garage (like a dryer vent, I would imagine).

That got me to thinking about a duct-less AC. Mitsubishi makes them with an internal unit, with the compressor outside. And they apparently put out a lot of cool air.

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Has anyone had any experience with these?

Thanks again for all the suggestions and ideas,

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I have a lot of experience with ductless A/C. Daikin is the leader. I have several of these at various facilities. I think I have at least one Mitsubishi as well. They all work great and are efficient as well.
If I already had the fluorescent fixtures, I would retrofit with LED tubes. I have done a comparison study with about 6 different temp ranges and wattage's. There are two different types (kind of like Beta and VHS) that require different wiring but both are very basic. Just be sure and don't confuse the two. You'll never have to change a bulb, you can get the right color rendering, and can get more light where you need it. I really like the perimeter lighting in KCZ's garage.
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I have a lot of experience with ductless A/C. Daikin is the leader. I have several of these at various facilities. I think I have at least one Mitsubishi as well. They all work great and are efficient as well.
If I already had the fluorescent fixtures, I would retrofit with LED tubes. I have done a comparison study with about 6 different temp ranges and wattage's. There are two different types (kind of like Beta and VHS) that require different wiring but both are very basic. Just be sure and don't confuse the two. You'll never have to change a bulb, you can get the right color rendering, and can get more light where you need it. I really like the perimeter lighting in KCZ's garage.
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Thanks R4, I'll check out Dalkin's products. I have an attic over the 1-car, and will need to insulate that, I think, which is no big deal (I've floored it with Attic-Dek plastic tiles which screw down in between the joists).

Did you install the ductless units yourself? I'm wondering if that's doable or if I need to have it done (I've never worked on HVAC units before). I have to determine (on a cubic foot basis) what BTU spec will be needed for the volume and Texas heat, but it looks like 18,000 BTU will do the trick.

I haven't seen the LED option, but will investigate. Another good idea.

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If I already had the fluorescent fixtures, I would retrofit with LED tubes. I have done a comparison study with about 6 different temp ranges and wattage's. There are two different types (kind of like Beta and VHS) that require different wiring but both are very basic. Just be sure and don't confuse the two. You'll never have to change a bulb, you can get the right color rendering, and can get more light where you need it. I really like the perimeter lighting in KCZ's garage.
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R4R,

I've checked out the LED option, and it looks like it's pretty straightforward, with the ballast bypass. I like the longer life and 2/3's power saving. Titan makes the "bulb" and "bar" type, and of course Lowe's/HD sell LEDs now. It looks like the 100% solution will be a 45-degree mounting with LEDs. The initial cost is up there, but maybe I'll recover that over several years of use.

Thanks for the advice. It's much appreciated.

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