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Green light on garage makeover! Suggestions welcome

About 3 years ago I had a Porsche 996 that lost the engine due to the IMS bearing going out and causing some exciting metal noises in the engine... Anyways, after some back and forth, Porsche agreed to provide a new engine as long as I did the install at on of the dealers. About 1.5-2 years ago there was a class action lawsuit blah blah blah...told my wife if anything came of it I'd like to use the money to redo the garage and she agreed. I don't think either of us gave it much credence and life went on. Last week a check came in for a little over $4k from my dear friends at Porsche! So after years of dreaming of ideas for the garage I'm now in the position to make this happen!

A little info about the garage - we recently moved into a newer house with a two car garage attached to the house, and a nice all brick detached two car garage. The detached garage is where all of the upgrades are going to happen.

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22' 9" wide
26'8" deep
10" to the ceiling, with the garage going up to 8'4" high

Initial plans:
Floor: going to do RaceDeck solid tiles (haven't decided on the coin vs diamond) for the entire floor. According the racedeck site I'll need aproximatly 620 tiles. At around $3.20 a tile the cost comes to right at $2k.

Cabinets: have been eying the Bold Series cabinets from NewAge (NewAge Bold Series Garage Cabinets). Figure I'm looking at around $1,500 here.

Walls: going to repaint some here, haven't decided on the color yet. Currently they're white with metal shelving that'll come down. Maybe something fun like a solid color on one wall? I have a ton of nice racing photos and car posters that I'm going to have framed nicely to hang as well as some car flags. Even have a lighted Lotus sign to put up somewhere.

Layout: haven't decided on what pattern/colors for the tiles, but will do the entire floor. Cabinets along the rear of the garage along wit 2 rolling metal tool cabinets. Have a 55" plasma tv that was given to me that'll go over the shorter cabinets. I need to find a good lighting solution, and someday will install 4-post lift.

Any other ideas, or suggestions for things I may have forgotten about?
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Good lighting and 220 if it doesn't already. I have not use that type of flooring and am not sure how well it works for creepers if you use those to slide around. Heat?
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I'm not a RaceDeck fan, although I know that many here are. Epoxy is only as good as the preparation, which many residential installers don't do quite right. I work at a factory where we have had an industrial grade coating applied and the process is much more involved than many residential companies do.

I've been considering polished concrete, which like others has pros/cons, but seems like it would take abuse better.

As for the walls, some on this forum have gone with different variations of Lotus colors with nice results.

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First, if you have not already, head on over to garagejournal.com and check out some of the great builds and get some ideas.

I would also pass on the racedeck. The installs I have seen are noisy and the gaps fill with dirt and crud. I would put that money into a two or four post lift.

I put IKEA cabinets in my garage and they are holding up very well.

Definately add lights. T8 fluorescent with electronic ballasts.

Make sure upper levels of paint scheme are light colored for best lighting.
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For flooring I've thought of everything from porcelain times, epoxy, etc. I just like the idea of RaceDeck in the end. With this being a second garage that only houses the Lotus I'm not too concerned about it getting dirty. Also, being in the Carolina's I don't have to worry about snow or extreme cold. Just the humidity in the summer, but that's easily cured with a cold beer. I also have plans to incorporate a kegerator in there too at some point.

I'm a member over on Garage Journal as well, have spent about a year scouring that site for ideas. It's a great resource.

The ikea cabinets are a good suggestion, will look into that as well. My tentative plan is to start on the work in the Spring, so no big rush to make decisions yet.


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I'm not a RaceDeck fan, although I know that many here are. Epoxy is only as good as the preparation, which many residential installers don't do quite right.
I agree. I just can't justify the price of racedeck flooring, and I'm not too much of a fan of how it looks. For the price I would do tile or epoxy. Racedeck quoted me like $2700 for my garage.

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The ikea cabinets are a good suggestion, will look into that as well. My tentative plan is to start on the work in the Spring, so no big rush to make decisions yet.


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Ikea has a great online design studio. You can draw out the layout of your garage and build cabinets in it in 3d and it gives you a really great idea of how they look.
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There are lots of free programs available to do layout and planning. I also would put the money into a lift instead of Race deck. You can also find some pretty good deals at a contractors warehouse or similar on cabinets.

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A lot of RaceDeck haters here.

I had it for 7 years before I sold my house. Pic below.

I had mixed feelings about it. When I first installed it, it looked fantastic. The design and color possibilities are endless. After a short time, the tiles got dirty. Cleaning them only did so much. I knew this would happen with the white tiles, but even the red got kind of dingy.

Also, if you do actual car work in the garage, I don't think it is the best. They got cut and gouged easier than I would have guessed. I also had some indentations from jacking and jack stands.

And it is slippery when wet. I did spill many different fluids on the floor. They wiped up fine, but the excess drained through to the floor below. I'll never know what that looked like down there.

So overall, it was good, but the next garage I do won't have it.
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Also be aware that jackstands will gouge into the racedeck.
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A lot of RaceDeck haters here.

I had it for 7 years before I sold my house. Pic below.

I had mixed feelings about it. When I first installed it, it looked fantastic. The design and color possibilities are endless. After a short time, the tiles got dirty. Cleaning them only did so much. I knew this would happen with the white tiles, but even the red got kind of dingy.

Also, if you do actual car work in the garage, I don't think it is the best. They got cut and gouged easier than I would have guessed. I also had some indentations from jacking and jack stands.

And it is slippery when wet. I did spill many different fluids on the floor. They wiped up fine, but the excess drained through to the floor below. I'll never know what that looked like down there.

So overall, it was good, but the next garage I do won't have it.
I was expecting more positive response on the RaceDeck floor. Main reason I didn't want to go with epoxy or tile is because the floor has a small crack that would need to be repaired beforehand, plus the cost to do it correctly may be a bit much. What I may do is order 10 or so tiles and lay them in the garage for a while to get a feeling for how I like them in person. I'm still inclined to think I'll go that direction but appreciate all of the responses so far.
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I have just finished sheet rocking and priming my garage and am watching for good ideas. I have a blank slate right now.

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This is too serious of an undertaking to accomplish without beta testing at a trial site. Fortunately my garage is available for your use. Just send the improvements my way and I'll supply you with a full report.

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My fluorescent lights are installed at the top of the wall, where it meets the ceiling.

45 degree angle.

MUCH better light than hanging the fixtures so they point straight down.

Sides of cars are lit and garage is flooded with light.

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My fluorescent lights are installed at the top of the wall, where it meets the ceiling.

45 degree angle.

MUCH better light than hanging the fixtures so they point straight down.

Sides of cars are lit and garage is flooded with light.
I think we have similar lighting. I just don't have a ceiling. It's bright enough to do brain surgery in there. OP, make sure you have a couple of bulbs somewhere so you don't have to turn on all the fluorescent banks when you just want to get a rake.


Regarding the floor...get it fixed properly so you can install a lift at a later date. Then epoxy.

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Yup, pretty much the same.

I also agree about the floor. As appealing as those "tiles" are, I'll pass.

This summer, epoxy.

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I think we have similar lighting. I just don't have a ceiling. It's bright enough to do brain surgery in there. OP, make sure you have a couple of bulbs somewhere so you don't have to turn on all the fluorescent banks when you just want to get a rake.


Regarding the floor...get it fixed properly so you can install a lift at a later date. Then epoxy.


KCZ, my garage is similar to yours and this summer I want to remodel it. Is there a reason why you aren't putting up drywall? I want to do my ceiling too but I figured there must be a reason why the garage was built this way. Mine is also a detached garage.
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KCZ, my garage is similar to yours and this summer I want to remodel it. Is there a reason why you aren't putting up drywall? I want to do my ceiling too but I figured there must be a reason why the garage was built this way. Mine is also a detached garage.
Purely budgetary. The site work cost a small fortune. At some point, it may get drywall on the walls and ceiling, as well as heat. Or not. Given the weather where I live, it can only be used 6 month/year, it's not a hangout kind of place, and I'm not sure that finishing it off is worth the extra money. Since that picture was taken, it's gotten a ton of shelves, racks, and other storage devices, which work fine.

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Copple, I just went through the same floor questions you are contemplating now. RaceDeck tiles are great for some uses (like the track garage/paddock, for example). I just went with polyaspartic because this is the stuff fire stations often use, and it is used at our track garages as well. A crack is not difficult to repair, or costly.

One thing you might want to consider is to avoid making changes you cannot reverse. I put in ceiling-mounted T8s before I saw some owners like GLB mount theirs at a diagonal, and am going to be making that change on their recommendation. Painting the walls in a gloss-reflective paint also helps.

I've just gotten a quote for two mini-split AC/Heat units (7500 USD, installed), which I think is high. But having a year-round controlled environment to protect the cars and work on them comfortably is worth it. It's hard to get motivated to work on a car when it's freezing/boiling in there. After that comes the lift.

Just think carefully about systems...electrical demands (220 volt circuits), lift (ceiling height/space), air plumbing/capacity with dryers/oilers/filters, whether you will do any fab work or just maintenance, etc. Each one affects decisions in the other "system," and some are hard to reverse once installed.

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Post of the week right there.^^^

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I love using my air tools, so a compressor upgrade might be high on my list along with running air lines to all the useful spots. Right now my compressor is in the garage, but at the next house, getting it out of my work space will be a priority.

I would also vote that you can never have too much light if you plan on doing lots of work in there. If it's a hangout more than a workshop I would stick a bar (even if it's just a cabinet and a mini fridge). A sink would also be great addition for a workshop or a hangout spot.

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