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[F1] Goodbye V8

As we all know this year was the end of the V8 motor which was taching 18k. Now next year they are going to the V6 which will tach 3k lower than the V8 motors.

Sounds to me like they are 'de-tuning' these cars like NASCAR did using restrictor plates after Earnhart crashed? I do not follow NASCAR but I do know they used special 'neck braces' after the crash... was that the cause of using the restrictor plates?

Back to subject I wonder how fast these cars will be? With a V6 unless it's 'stoked' up next year looks like a boring season. It doesn't make any sense when they are trying to get new viewers.

Of course there is alway's Colin's thought... add lightness and removing that weight it could be done.

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restrictor plates were used long before Earnhart was killed. They are used to regulate power across different engines.

HANS (Head and Neck Support) is the device that was mandated after he died. It ensures that the head can't move around excessively during violent events. It isn't a bad idea in any motorsport, including track days.
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Plenty fast still since they're turbocharged with the addition of the heat recovery system.

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"In combination with the ERS-K it will give drivers an additional 161 bhp (120 kW) for thirty-three seconds per lap, compared to the KERS units used prior to 2014, which gave drivers 80 bhp (60 kW) for six seconds per lap"
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The reason for the 15k REV limit as opposed to 18K is because their engine allowance for the season has been reduced from 8 engines to only 6.

With the ERS, these V6 turbos will have the same amount of power as the outgoing V8 and 4x the amount of torque.

Also, next years cars must have an exhaust exit at the rear of the car elevated well above and past the diffuser, making blowing the rear diffuser impossible. There is also a narrower front wing. The drivers have described the difference in aero and grip as like "driving this year's car in the rain".

Going to be a great season! drivers will actually have to drive again!
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First time I have ever been glad to see a season end :/

Restrictor plates were also used to control speed on the biggest tracks. Those big cars going much over 200 is well, just too fast to control.

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And the HANS device developed by Mazda race driver Jim Downing and his medical doctor brother in law was around long before the late adopter NASCAR mandated.

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Thank you to all who responded to my question. I learned a lot from the posts.

Personally I never liked the Ker's because of the cost, the teams who could afford it killed the one's who could not. It was an unfair advantage to those who could not.

The FIA wants everyone to be 'equal' and this is not one of them. Things may have changed, I just remember some teams had to deliver with a 'driver' no tricks. I am not sure if every driver is using Ker's.

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Seems the right place to post this --

Some (all?) of the teams using the Renault engines blew them up after the last race. Renault wasn't allowed to film/distribute any footage. Someone failed to inform RBR of this...


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Also, next years cars must have an exhaust exit at the rear of the car elevated well above and past the diffuser, making blowing the rear diffuser impossible.
Challenge accepted! That's what they said about this year's exhaust as well.

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With a V6 unless it's 'stoked' up next year looks like a boring season.
I think it'll be anything but a boring season. With completely new engine *and* aero regulations, there's probably going to be a lot of shakeup throughout the season as the teams all try to find their way around them. Remember in 2009 when that major change in aero regs came around? Suddenly McLaren and Ferrari were struggling to keep up and Brawn and Red Bull were the new leaders.

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They blew em all up?!?! Well there goes my plans for swapping in a F1 v8 into the lotus......How sweet would it be if F1 sold off all their old parts like Nascar does

I know I am excited for next years season, fingers crossed Hulkenburg will be in the other Lotus car!!!
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part of vettels reliability tactic.... he only has to drive hard for a few laps, and then saves the car for the next 50 some laps while everyone is beating on their cars the entire race....

F1 always changes the engine formula around. so this is just business as usual... its a spend and development and simulation war - the teams with the best budget and resources and most creative minds and ability to execute... will be in the lead. i don't expect any major shake up. remember, Ferrari sucked when schumacher went there and it took a few years to build that team. i think renault/lotus could be a loser, not sure they had the funds to invest in next year. id expect mclaren abandoned the year a while back and started investing in next year. red bull has likely played both sides. i suspect they are less a worried about coming out of the gate fast and are more interested in having a platform for ongoing development for the year. (their strength)

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too bad the teams never got a chance to further develop the 2008 models and had to deal with the ugly current generation cars. Sounds like the 2014 cars will be even uglier.

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I miss the 3-liter, 20K-RPM V10s...
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I miss the 3-liter, 20K-RPM V10s...
amen, i miss the more "open" regulations that allowed the manufacturers the creative freedom to engineer such an engine!!!

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Everyone does. Those were the days, when you could see V8s, V10s and flat-12s on the same grid. I just wish we could have seen a rotary in F1.

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Everyone does. Those were the days, when you could see V8s, V10s and flat-12s on the same grid. I just wish we could have seen a rotary in F1.
you'd have never seen it through the thick white plume of smoke

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Thank you to all who responded to my question. I learned a lot from the posts.

Personally I never liked the Ker's because of the cost, the teams who could afford it killed the one's who could not. It was an unfair advantage to those who could not.

The FIA wants everyone to be 'equal' and this is not one of them. Things may have changed, I just remember some teams had to deliver with a 'driver' no tricks. I am not sure if every driver is using Ker's.

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not exactly, red bull was taking advantage by NOT running KERS - it wasn't a cost thing, it was a performance thing that they got better reliability. until it was mandated they HAD to install it. so the didn't install (or used it irregularly). i think ERS and max fuel is the only relevant things going on in F1 now - i wish they would remove the "spec" from it and let the teams run as much or little as they see fit. it would be cool to see what would happen if a team went with 300hp of electric motor while another went with 90. less battery here, more there. the cool thing about the v10 comments is thats what happened - the teams could build any configuration, and science proved out the v-10 was the magic volumetric efficiency for that displacement. so rather than all this "spec" engine bull crap... i wish the FIA would just say - displacement / induction / fuel amount / open ERS - go figure out how to get around the track faster than the other guy. id rather the lock down the aero regs by spec and open the drive train regs... aero is not very relevant now.

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Well I think they should lift all the areo restrictions too...go see what works! I want to see what they would look like/come up with. It should kind of look like an airplane... Let them actively control the aero for lift, drag and corners. Even Bugati went with that...well kind of...
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you'd have never seen it through the thick white plume of smoke
Yes exactly what happened in the winning years of IMSA or the LeMans win, right.

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....it was just a joke....

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