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Exclamation Lotus Crash : Lewis Hamilton

The session was suspended on two occasions after Pastor Maldonado lost control of his Lotus before crashing into the barriers, while Sauber's Esteban Gutierrez also spun. Maldonado was taken to the on-track medical centre for precautionary checks and was given the all-clear.




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Which is worse the car or Maldonado's driving?

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Which is worse the car or Maldonado's driving?
Toss up, at least when RoGro retires the car, its still in one piece. (at least this season it is).
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Which is worse the car or Maldonado's driving?
Depends on whether you own the car or not, I suppose. Maldonado's performance is ultimately to be measured against his teammate (as is Kimi's, as much as that pains me to say it).

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Maldonado did one lap at SPA. ONE and DONE.

If I've added correctly, he's completed 100 laps in the first 12 F1 events (out of 742 possible laps).

WHY?..you're asking yourself (followed by: "I could do that....")

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Yes, many drivers who have paid their way in have been uncompetitive. But some have gone on to be World Champions, like Niki Lauda, clearly the exception to the rule.

Maldonado certainly did not have the "crasherist" tendencies while at Williams....FW would have crucified him on the spot. Maldonado has a poor chassis with a lack of development, and he's pushing the envelope right to the edge, and falling over. The fact that Grosjean is managing not to roll the car in a ball (even though his performance is also down from last year) is where the real difference lies between the two. Again, your main competition is your teammate, before anyone else.

The more interesting encounter is with Mercedes. Rosberg was subjected to loud boos from the crowd on the podium, and understandable consternation from the Mercedes brass (who own the cars). They want both cars in the points, preferably 1-2. What is most interesting is that the stewards ruled it as a racing incident and did not assign fault to either driver. The fans, of course, saw it differently.

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yea - not sure how the fans could see that differently. rosberg did a 100% "lewis" move, if you switched drivers, lewis would have been yelling that rosberg didn't leave him room and was running him off the road and took off his wing.

fact is. rosberg was faster, was on pole had a bad start, and was moving his way back to the front. not sure what more there is to say - total racing incident. i don't believe much of anything printed so far... for one - i very seriously doubt roster said "i intentionally stuffed my wing into his car" i am confidant he said something like "i intentionally made a pass, i was faster and wanted to prove that" reading the quotes from the team i can not tell which driver they are talking about "if lewis thinks only a slap on the wrist can be done, we will show otherwise" i don't know if that means do otherwise to lewis? rosberg? both?

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Yes, many drivers who have paid their way in have been uncompetitive. But some have gone on to be World Champions, like Niki Lauda, clearly the exception to the rule.

Maldonado certainly did not have the "crasherist" tendencies while at Williams....FW would have crucified him on the spot. Maldonado has a poor chassis with a lack of development, and he's pushing the envelope right to the edge, and falling over. The fact that Grosjean is managing not to roll the car in a ball (even though his performance is also down from last year) is where the real difference lies between the two. Again, your main competition is your teammate, before anyone else.
I think you're right about the teammate comparison and the only thing worse than the car really is Maldonado's driving... Grosjean can't win but at least he keeps the car in one piece.

It seems like Maldonado might be an iffy gamble for Lotus - if the idea was that his oil money would let them put Grosjean in a real car, it certainly didn't pan out that way. We'll see if they can sort the rest of the car when they switch to Mercedes next year.

I don't know what you're saying about his time at Williams, though... Maldonado's '12 season with Williams was one of the crashiest seasons I've seen in a long time - he led penalties, 10k fine for hitting Perez for a second time at British GP, crashed in both practice AND race at Monaco, crashed at Australia, Canada, Valencia/Europe GP, Belgian GP...
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I think you're right about the teammate comparison and the only thing worse than the car really is Maldonado's driving... Grosjean can't win but at least he keeps the car in one piece.

It seems like Maldonado might be an iffy gamble for Lotus - if the idea was that his oil money would let them put Grosjean in a real car, it certainly didn't pan out that way. We'll see if they can sort the rest of the car when they switch to Mercedes next year.

I don't know what you're saying about his time at Williams, though... Maldonado's '12 season with Williams was one of the crashiest seasons I've seen in a long time - he led penalties, 10k fine for hitting Perez for a second time at British GP, crashed in both practice AND race at Monaco, crashed at Australia, Canada, Valencia/Europe GP, Belgian GP...
Yes, an "iffy" gamble to be sure, when money is tight especially.

I know Maldonado crashed at Williams, but he also produced results, and I don't recall the quali results being so clearly one-sided as they presently are in the Lotus team...FW has a history of allowing young drivers the occasional indiscretion with one of his cars. But he also expects/demands results. I guess ultimately that is why Pastor had to be ditched....the results were insufficient. Also, the manner of the "offs" has been different this season....crashing into the barriers while chucking the car through the swimming pool complex at Monaco, with total commitment, is one thing.....boneheaded mistakes are quite another. Pastor is beginning to remind me of Andrea DeCesaris' time at McLaren.

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Toss up, at least when RoGro retires the car, its still in one piece. (at least this season it is).
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And last season too
True, I became a big RoGro fan last season. I'll like him regardless of what team he is on.
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True, I became a big RoGro fan last season. I'll like him regardless of what team he is on.
Yeah, I'm that way about Kimi. Ever since I first saw him drive (Sauber), I thought of Gilles V. and Ronnie P. in the wet. He could drive for Caterpillar for all I care. He would feel differently, of course.

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Voted? She was ON the ballot. She didn't win (in the recount), but she did gather a large amount in campaign donations (including tax deductible 'loans' she made to herself) to continue the drive.

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Voted? She was ON the ballot. She didn't win (in the recount), but she did gather a large amount in campaign donations (including tax deductible 'loans' she made to herself) to continue the drive.
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yea - not sure how the fans could see that differently. rosberg did a 100% "lewis" move, if you switched drivers, lewis would have been yelling that rosberg didn't leave him room and was running him off the road and took off his wing.

fact is. rosberg was faster, was on pole had a bad start, and was moving his way back to the front.
What are you going on about? Hamilton was faster all weekend. He lost out on the one penultimate q3 lap with a car that was pulling to the left.

And anyone in the draft at that section of the track is faster. But Nico wasn't far enough up alongside to have a prayer of pulling that move off. Pure screw up on his part. HAd he been smart, he would have realized it and done what Vettle did on the prior lap.

And head to head, Hamilton is clearly the faster driver. He and Alonso are pretty much in their own league for pure driving talent. Nico's up on points purely because of Hamilton's luck with retirements. And his Monaco stunt.
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I think you're right about the teammate comparison and the only thing worse than the car really is Maldonado's driving... Grosjean can't win but at least he keeps the car in one piece.
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True, I became a big RoGro fan last season. I'll like him regardless of what team he is on.
Precisely. He's a very humble and seemingly nice guy who accepted blame for his crash filled season of 2012. OTOH, Crashdonado is an arrogant f__k who always deflects blame during this year's crash filled season. I can't stand the guy.

Even Will Buxton called him out on his excuse making in an interview this year.

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