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post #21 of 59 (permalink) Old 04-28-2015, 06:32 PM
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I guess you're relatively new here and hadn't noticed all the thread similar to yours.

Please get a new horn asap.

Note:

1. If you can't see the inside mirror of the car ahead, that driver can't see you.

2. I drive, and idle, with my finger on the horn.

At first, I didn't like the button placement, but it is the cat's meow (whatever that is).

While here, may as well...
Note to new Elise & Exige Owners:

1. These cars have large (i.e. dangerous) blind spots. Multivex mirrors are NLA, but RLS (Really Light Stuff) offers very good tape-on replacements.


2. The horns are way too weak (quiet). There’s an inverse relationship: smaller the car, louder the horn needs to be.

Get something such as a Stebel Nautilus.

Stock: “Excuse me”


Stebel: “HONK! LOOK OUT!”

Remove the stock horn; replace with louder.


3. The early cars came with misaimed and dim headlights. If you drive at night, convert to HIDs. While better than stock halogen bulbs are available, HIDs throw more light. Stay around 5000k.


4. Ensure your car has had the work required by the recall for oil line fittings done. You could lose an engine and/or spin in your own oil.

5. The best transmission lube I’ve found is Redline MT-90 plus a little Power Punch Extreme Gear Oil Additive. (Note that it takes two changes to get rid of the previous lube.)

a) Early cars have wobbly shift towers. Look up Stan’s Mod (bolt and spacer) and Sector 111 long thru bolt that terminates under car. (Can’t find it on their site right now for some reason.)

These (lube, mods) make a huge change in shifting.

6. As per some engine builders on these sites, wait at least 10 minutes after coolant has reached full operating temp before engaging cam switchover.

7. Visit the Uber Thread!
When my kids hit the stock horn in my Elise (while playing in the garage not driving!) it hurts my ears. I seriously doubt that you couldn't hear it in a truck five feet away. OTOH, you are right about blind spots. Like a previous poster, I was behind my wife at a stop light recently and she thought I'd gotten lost as she couldn't see me! She drives a Chevy Volt.

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The stock horn is rubbish ! It's best to drive the Elise like a Motorcycle. My Screaming Banshee has saved my clam at least twice.

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Steebo air horn - good stuff.

Not to mention, usage of the horn.

We've all had this. Go to SLAM on the horn and we hit the center of the wheel hard (like in our daily drivers). Forgetting that the horn mechanism is actually on the ring of the wheel!
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When my kids hit the stock horn in my Elise (while playing in the garage not driving!) it hurts my ears. I seriously doubt that you couldn't hear it in a truck five feet away. OTOH, you are right about blind spots. Like a previous poster, I was behind my wife at a stop light recently and she thought I'd gotten lost as she couldn't see me! She drives a Chevy Volt.

You can't equate sound in garage to outside. And, 5' is not a useful range.

How much evidence would one need to know the stock horn sucks?

A guy here was at a car show. Hot rod backed into him; low speed stuff.

Hot rod driver did NOT hear the horn.

I bet there are 10 more examples...


I really urge you to get a Stebel or ~.

It'a 30 minute job.

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You can't equate sound in garage to outside. And, 5' is not a useful range.

How much evidence would one need to know the stock horn sucks?

A guy here was at a car show. Hot rod backed into him; low speed stuff.

Hot rod driver did NOT hear the horn.

I bet there are 10 more examples...


I really urge you to get a Stebel or ~.

It'a 30 minute job.
I regret not properly wiring an air horn when I had my clam off to replace the radiator, but a forum mod VERY graciously spent his entire day helping me and I didn't want to add another hour onto the process. I'm concerned that the stock wiring won't handle the stebel's higher power needs. The hella supertones need less juice but are still rated at 12amps which is almost 50% more than the stock horn. I'm so conflicted!

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I regret not properly wiring an air horn when I had my clam off to replace the radiator, but a forum mod VERY graciously spent his entire day helping me and I didn't want to add another hour onto the process. I'm concerned that the stock wiring won't handle the stebel's higher power needs. The hella supertones need less juice but are still rated at 12amps which is almost 50% more than the stock horn. I'm so conflicted!
I definitely plan on putting in an air horn this summer got some work that I want to do and plan on doing it at the same time.
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I saw one lotus owner that had a full sized air horn canister in the passenger seat, for just such an occasion
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I regret not properly wiring an air horn when I had my clam off to replace the radiator, but a forum mod VERY graciously spent his entire day helping me and I didn't want to add another hour onto the process. I'm concerned that the stock wiring won't handle the stebel's higher power needs. The hella supertones need less juice but are still rated at 12amps which is almost 50% more than the stock horn. I'm so conflicted!
SirLotus would tell you to use the existing wiring to trip a relay and add a thicker power wire.

He's correct.

But, this is unnecessary: Horns are momentary use things. His concern would more involve an accessory that stayed on.

So, I used the existing wiring w/no relay. For 10 or so years, it's been just fine.

Clam stays installed, btw. IIRC, remove panel under frt end and maybe the grill.

Too easy to not do ASAP.

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You can't equate sound in garage to outside. And, 5' is not a useful range.

How much evidence would one need to know the stock horn sucks?

A guy here was at a car show. Hot rod backed into him; low speed stuff.

Hot rod driver did NOT hear the horn.

I bet there are 10 more examples...


I really urge you to get a Stebel or ~.

It'a 30 minute job.
Same thing when they play on the driveway. It hurts my ears when they hit it. My wife heard it from inside the house and came out to see what was up (easily 20 feet away). Sounds as loud as the ones in our new family-mobiles.

And if you read the OP's first post, he claims that the horn was not the cause, but rather that the guy backed up too quickly.

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SirLotus would tell you to use the existing wiring to trip a relay and add a thicker power wire.

He's correct.

But, this is unnecessary: Horns are momentary use things. His concern would more involve an accessory that stayed on.

So, I used the existing wiring w/no relay. For 10 or so years, it's been just fine.

Clam stays installed, btw. IIRC, remove panel under frt end and maybe the grill.

Too easy to not do ASAP.
Awesome thanks for the insight.
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SirLotus would tell you to use the existing wiring to trip a relay and add a thicker power wire.

He's correct.

But, this is unnecessary: Horns are momentary use things. His concern would more involve an accessory that stayed on.

So, I used the existing wiring w/no relay. For 10 or so years, it's been just fine.

Clam stays installed, btw. IIRC, remove panel under frt end and maybe the grill.

Too easy to not do ASAP.
I didn't do this the last time the clam was off, but this is a great reminder that I really should. I thought you could access it with the clam on anyway, once you know where it is at. I agree for short burts you should be ok but what Stebel horn model exactly are you guys using?
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Sorry to see the OP's car like that I guess I've been lucky, I've had the same type of interaction with other drivers a few times and the horn's been fine for me thankfully. Likewise in traffic with people not seeing me when changing lanes, stock horn works and is plenty loud to get their attention.
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There is, sadly, abundant evidence that the stock horn is wholly inadequate.

I mean, a hot rod pulling out of a parking space couldn't hear the Elise horn???

Plenty loud, unless your car already has a better horn, is a description we don't see in reference to Elise horns.

I've only been driving mine for 10 yrs of course.

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I didn't do this the last time the clam was off, but this is a great reminder that I really should. I thought you could access it with the clam on anyway, once you know where it is at. I agree for short burts you should be ok but what Stebel horn model exactly are you guys using?

Stebel; see post 28

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I didn't do this the last time the clam was off, but this is a great reminder that I really should. I thought you could access it with the clam on anyway, once you know where it is at. I agree for short burts you should be ok but what Stebel horn model exactly are you guys using?
Horn can easily be changed with the clam on.
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Hope it gets repaired properly so that someone else can enjoy it.

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I still cannot believe that is a total.....last spring I hit a large dog in my Elise.....I had to wait 6 months for my clam.....but it was $4300....who gave you your quote?! I only had one turn signal light busted.....when all said and done my insurance gave me $6500......but mine was still driveable........and trackable

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This is weird....mine was hit worse years ago, back when a 2005 was worth under $30k. I think the total repair was perhaps $12-16k, including new clam, radiator, and front crash structure, and stripes/starshield.

After repair, it was better than new. No more rattles in the front end!

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There really isn't a rhyme or reason to what insurance will or will not total or what shops will quote. The pool of data is so small, you get a quick sense of the character of those involved. The POS adjusters of the world will charge exorbitant amounts so they don't have to do their job, and the POS shops of the world will charge similar rates to get a vacation.

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