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Hi guys,
I'm looking to bid on this 06 Elise that used to belong to DrHess.

This will be my 1st ever Elise, so I don't know much about them.
Planning to do the full restoration myself (I do body & paint too).

What I don't know is what kind of parts are in the rear end that I will need for restoring this.

I assume more than just a rear clam right? (I don't know what the rear clam mounts to and what is beneath it... help me if you can by giving me an idea of that I will need to buy to get this restored (approximately).

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This is his picture after accident (seem that insurance auction guys stole the taillights and disposed the rest >
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That looks like it has significant subfram damage, so the frame is also probably tweaked. Rear clams go for about $3,000-$5,000. Not sure about the costs of subframes, but you are probably looking at about $10,000 in parts (you would not believe how much that tail lights go for).

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Also, you can use lotusgarage.com and mylotusgarage.com to not only price out new parts (that second site is typically cheaper), but you can also use them for parts diagrams to see what all you'll need. That rear clam is missing a huge chunk, so you'll probably need to buy a replacement one unless they give you enough pieces to piece it back together.

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(you would not believe how much that tail lights go for).
How much do these go for (used/new)??? Give me an idea plz.
What's a fair price for used ones (non LED).?
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How much do these go for (used/new)??? Give me an idea plz.
What's a fair price for used ones (non LED).?
I think a full set of LED ones are something over a grand ($1600 from the British Racing Group). Not sure about the price for non-LED ones though. Probably in the ballpark of $500, but that's just a guess. Google probably has the answer.

The 2005 Elise is the only US (federal) car that has non-LED tail lights. Any other year or model will have the LED's.

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Is that repairable? Sounds like you'd need a lot of experience working on these cars to do it right - assuming that the chassis isn't bent.

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It also looks like the front splitter got torn up when it went off the road, so that adds more to the list of possible damage. Especially buying your first Lotus, you need to do a whole lot more research on costs and repairs so you can get the right one.

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It also looks like the front splitter got torn up when it went off the road, so that adds more to the list of possible damage..
Yeah, I'm aware of that front splitter damage

Anyone knows that are these parts that are circled?
Is the battery supposed to sit like that or is it supposed to go inside a battery tray/compartment?
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Yeah, I'm aware of that front splitter damage

Also, anyone knows that are these parts that are circled?
That can be detached from the frame; those are just brackets. Mine are smooshed, too. Not critical to fix them, but the BOE clam hinge requires them, and mufflers mount to them.

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Looks like subframe damage to me.

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I'm no expert, but buying that project would make me quite nervous.

Before I'd pull the trigger, I'd have someone who knows the Elise from CLAM OFF EXPERIENCE inspect the car in person.

I've owned 3 Elises, but have only seen my car with the rear clam off once.

I'd be VERY concerned about subframe damage.
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Here's what an Elise looks like with no rear clam (the big silver piece is a heat shield which many owners choose to remove):



As you can see, the mangled pieces are the muffler brackets - however, the part ahead of them is the critical rear subframe structure and on that car it looks like that's probably mushed, as well.

I wouldn't buy that car without a thorough in-person inspection from someone who has seen a Lotus rear subframe before. I'd also carefully measure all of the suspension pickups to ensure the whole thing isn't torqued or crushed.

If the rear subframe requires replacement, it's unlikely the car is a good deal. Unlike the front, the rear subframe is replaceable, but the endeavor would be expensive enough that you're probably better off buying a WireWheel salvage that's been fixed for you or even a clean title car.

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Here's what an Elise looks like with no rear clam (the big silver piece is a heat shield which many owners choose to remove):

http://i.imgur.com/bWyX9Mf.jpg
Hey bri3d,
Thank you so much for that picture of yours of the car w/ clam off.

So pretty much I got it all figured out, and I don't think it would be a bad fix, it all boils down to the subframe....did it get damaged?
If it did....how bad? (what if only the tip where the exhaust mounts to got a little bent...would that be something worth fixing or still should replace the WHOLE subframe?

I would love to make the trip up there to see the car, but unfortunately I'm on my business trip to China and won't be back in time for the auction.

Anyone lives near Springfield, MO??
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Hey there, i have repaired 2 lotus cars myself. both elise's. Ill tell you from my personal experience. I would only by a lotus with light clam damage. Nothing that has anything to do with frame, suspension. Even though the ones that i purchased had only cosmetic damage , it still ran into the thousands to repair. If you have the money, wait for the right one to show up.

However, if you get a great deal, go for it. I wouldn't bid a penny over 10k. @ 10K you will pay at least $1500 in taxes and auction fees. Plus at least 9k in repairs.
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Hey there, i have repaired 2 lotus cars myself. both elise's. Ill tell you from my personal experience. I would only by a lotus with light clam damage. Nothing that has anything to do with frame, suspension. Even though the ones that i purchased had only cosmetic damage , it still ran into the thousands to repair. If you have the money, wait for the right one to show up.

However, if you get a great deal, go for it. I wouldn't bid a penny over 10k. @ 10K you will pay at least $1500 in taxes and auction fees. Plus at least 9k in repairs.
Thank you for your advice poonhunter. I really appreciate it.
My prediction is like this: This one has more damage, will go for cheap (maybe $9k-10k) + more parts to repair.

Elise that is more clean with just clam damage will go maybe ($14k-$16k)??

I've never watched these on auction so don't know what they go for.
Very curios to find out...
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yes your pretty much correct. If the damage is only to the clam and only to one clam most go $14k to 18k if over 40k miles. under 40k miles 18k+k.
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That is a good candidate to buy and part out
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If you shop smart, and aren't in a hurry, you could put this back together pretty cheaply. You can get halfway decent used rear clam for $1500 pretty much any day of the week. Subframes are harder to come by, but there is little demand for them, so when they pop up, they're usually for sale for a long time, and don't bring a lot of money. Engine covers can be had practically for free. Diffusers are easy to come by for $200 or so. Tail lights are like gold though. Don't expect a bargain there. That muffler is aftermarket, and relatively desirable. It could probably be salvaged.

If you're fine with the car being a "20 footer", and the main frame isn't damaged, you could probably get it back on the road for $5-6k, plus paint/bodywork. Don't expect to make a profit if you ever decide to sell it though.
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Is this car golden or what?
Sold for $14,125!

Never expected it to go for so much!! wow! Am I missing something here?
I saw some dealers selling some damaged Elises for $14k (and I'm sure they have profit already figured into their price)...

Darn...can't even afford a totaled Elise...pretty sad. hehe
Maybe next time.
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