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Thanks for sharing with us, this info will help the future owner.
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This is one of those unfortunate circumstances where it is not the owners fault, so he basically has no financial choice but to take what the insurance company will do. If this had happened, say by the owner accidentally dropping it on a jackstand while getting it in the air, we would never know about it.

It is also unfortunate because it will not go cheaply enough at auction to allow me to talk my wife into letting me bid on it.
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Lotus will never say anything but to replace the chassis. They have no reason to stick their neck out on this issue.

Unless there is more damage than what is shown in the picture, it looks very easy to repair. Straighten out the base aluminum and bond a stiffening patch behind it. Will likely be stronger than the original if done correctly.

Did Geico offer a buyback on the car? If they did, how much were they asking?
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Lotus Exige Final Edition #16 is total loss by Geico. Left driver side sway bar mounting point on the chassis was damaged during transport from Denver to Seattle.



VIN# SCCLHHAC8BHA12626



If anyone need more information in regarding on this vehicle, you can get in touch with me. I do not own this vehicle. It is currently owned by Geico.



https://www.iaai.com/Vehicle?itemID=...oadRecent=True



For the future owner, I have all the tools and documentation for this vehicle.


Sorry for your lost. If you are looking for a replacement of the same car, number #15 is for sale for you.

http://www.hillbankusa.com/car/sale-...-edition-coupe
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May I ask what the buy-back offer was?

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Cannot weld this chassis!

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I can't believe that this salvaged for that. Chassis is $11k 120 hours at $150 an hour tops = $29000 repair?

Realistically someone is just going to weld in a repair if it hasn't affected the suspension pickup point too badly.

Just noticed they had $10k more then that for the repair... I wonder if it needs control arms, sway bar as well? Then like car rental for ~ 3 months at $100 a day...
Can't remember the detail of the antiroll bar mounting but just a point about Elise/ Exige chassis. One of the main points of the glued chassis construction was that it allowed the use of a a high strength aluminium alloy which was NOT weldable as it is precipitation hardened. If this is welded, it WILL crack.
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Buy-back was not offered. Not sure the reasoning, but there could be some legal process between the insurance and the transporter.
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Note: both threads are now merged.
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Thanks for the merge. I hope this will be good information to whoever in need. I don't come on LotusTalk often enough anymore because I don't own a Lotus. For future owner, please Email me at [email protected]
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From what i’m seeing that’s easily repaired without welding, bonding an aluminum doubler over the damaged area (using factory adhesive) doubler would need to be clear anodized for best adhesion the sway bar bolts would prevent separation....Sorry you lost your ride over what appears to be insignificant damage...Insurance company’s are the worst!
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Totally repairable event. May no longer be a collector car, but one hell of a nice DD, which to me is far more important than saving cars for the future.

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Why is this listed with Bill Of Sale only and no Title?
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I spoke with a friend of mine who is a car dealer in Georgia and according to him this car can not be titled again with just Bill of Sale and it is parts only car.
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Can't remember the detail of the antiroll bar mounting but just a point about Elise/ Exige chassis. One of the main points of the glued chassis construction was that it allowed the use of a a high strength aluminium alloy which was NOT weldable as it is precipitation hardened. If this is welded, it WILL crack.
The chassis is mostly made of 6063-T6511 aluminium...that is very weldable. The only part of the chassis that is not 6063 is the floor pan, that is made from recycled aluminium, I think that is weldable also, but not sure.

The minor problem with welding 6063-T6511 is that there is no way to reheat treat the welded chassis member after welding. The good point is that it will work harden and age harden on its own and have equivalent/similar strength after some time if it does not fail before then.

The biggest problem with welding a bonded aluminium structure is that it will destroy the adhesive in the area. Since aluminium conducts heat very well, that heat effected zone can be quite large.

The great design feature of the bonded aluminium structure that Lotus came up with is that you don't get the stress concentration points around a weld, because there are no welds and the bonds have a very large surface area to distribute the loads from one member to the next. So, instead of getting a stress concentration area around a weld, the loads are distributed very nicely through the large area of the bonded joint. The one problem they had to overcome is the tendancy of bonded joints to peal apart under cyclic impact loading. That is the purpose of the 4 corner rivets on each joint; to prevent the bonded joint from starting to peal apart.

So, yes, the bonded aluminium Lotus chassis cannot be welded because of the adhesive, not because of the aluminium alloy. Heat treatment is another concern.

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