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Got my Hans, Have a Schroth belt question.

Can I buy just the shoulder straps to fit the hans? Or do I have to get the whole kit? Not that I am much of a cosmetic guy but schroth does not make them in silver either which sucks because my passenger side belts are silver.

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Can I buy just the shoulder straps to fit the hans? Or do I have to get the whole kit? Not that I am much of a cosmetic guy but schroth does not make them in silver either which sucks because my passenger side belts are silver.
Are you talking about 3" vs. 2" shoulder straps? If you've got Schroth 3" belts, they work fine with the HANS, no need to change.
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If you have the ASM belts you will want to change those out for sure...I have 2" on the shoulders since they fit in the grooves better

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You can just buy the shoulder straps from HMS, but it's pricey. $100 or $150 (I don't recall at the moment) for the pair. Seems to me you'd be better of selling your driver's side harness and buying a new Hans harness (I assume you're running 6 points).

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Opps. I guess you mean 2" Hans specific silver belts aren't made.
The 3" fit a Dfnder just fine, it has a broader "hook" that holds the belts horizontally better than the Hans. Off topic, but if I had it to do over, I'd get the Hans over the Dfnder. The quick releases are far superior for one thing.

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Are you talking about 3" vs. 2" shoulder straps? If you've got Schroth 3" belts, they work fine with the HANS, no need to change.
+1. 3" belts work with the HANS -- that's what I use in my Elise and what I had in my 944spec car. 3" belts will have a tendency to want to go over the belt guides on the outside edges of the HANS, but you just have to slide the belts in towards your neck before tightening.

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I have also used my HANS with 3" and 2" HANS specific belts.
as others have said the 3" works, and is safe to use, but the 2" fits the device much better.
If i were buying a new harness i would only get the 2" HANS specific belts for HANS useage, i like them that much more since I am the one who buckles myself in the car, and can easily feel that the harness is positioned correctly.

I just picked up a new set for my formula ford that has 2" shoulder belts for the HANS, and the 2" lap belts. its the nicest harness i have used, and what i would likely put in all of my cars when the time comes to replace them.

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Hans did the research with 3" belts.
All of our RCR NASCAR cars equiped with 3" belts---All Indy cars are 3" belts
Almost all of both series uses Hans. They all also use only 3" belts. They have not converted to 2" belts.
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Thanks for the feedback guys, I was worried about the way they didn't fit inside the guide lines. Glad I got the carbon Hans too. You barely know its there Ill prob get the Hans specific uppers just for a nicer fit.

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Glad I got the carbon Hans too. You barely know its there Ill prob get the Hans specific uppers just for a nicer fit.
the 2" uppers are very nice with the HANS just remember that you cannot use those belts w/o using a HANS or defender.

Just an FYI, the lightwieght carbon device really offers no advantage over the cheaper heavier model. the HANS is resting on the body of the driver, not adding weight to the head/helmet. a light(er) helmet is very important for safety, but the lighter HANS does not increase safety over the regular heavier one they now sell.
it might make a difference for F1 guys, or people at a very competitive level where a very small amount of weight (up high in the car) could matter.
for HPDE, or any racer (that i know of on this board), it wont matter at all.

I have one of each; IDK the difference in weight, but i could put them on my scales and see next time i have the set up out. holding them in my hand i would think its ~ pound.
also, if the device does not have the sliding teathers on it, and you are using it in a sedan, i highly recommend getting this option. i think its $75

shawn, i am glad for you that you got the device. I swear by mine, and after using it, i wont get in a track car w/o it ever. I suspect you will quickly feel the same way.

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+1 on the sliding tethers...
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Great info. Wonder what the rationale is for why 2" belts are not safe w/o Hans. Surface area on the shoulder area perhaps.
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Great info. Wonder what the rationale is for why 2" belts are not safe w/o Hans. Surface area on the shoulder area perhaps.
yes surface area, and spreading out the load.

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Yeah I added the sliding tethers right away when I got it, Glad I did.
I put the newest pull string quick releases too.

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Sorry, I know this post is a little old but I just wanted to point out a correction. Schroth did some testing and said that the 2" belts are acceptable without a HANS device. They used to only recommend 3" without a HANS because that was the common logic, but after testing found that the differences between the two in an accident were negligible. I can't comment on other manufacturers but that is what Schroth said.

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