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Swearing?

My Mom taught me to ALWAYS be polite.


So, I wanted to bring this quirk to the Admins attention:

For some reason, there are strings of characters that (if this was a comic strip) would appear to be swearing!
Can't help but to blush.


Here's a sample:

https://www.lotustalk.com/forums/5894310-post1.html

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I could not wait to get home so I could drive the Lotus &#x1f3c1


I've noticed these strings of characters (always different) on other AutoGuide forums, too.

Where do they come from? A glitch between a Mobile app and viewing on a computer?

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I love my Viper...just not as fun to drive as the Lotus...lol definitely not intending to swear ...lol
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That's unicode not being translated properly. Probably an emoji off a phone.
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It usually is swearing. Thatís just how a large number of people speak, when words just do not come to mind to describe the feeling of a situation.

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That's unicode not being translated properly.
. . .
Yes.

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It usually is swearing.
. . .
No.

In the sample cited by @carbuff , the OP had included a checkered flag emoji and Lotus Talk showed only the Unicode instead of rendering it. You can look up that emoji and others here: &#x1f3c1.

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So now if I do use a series of @/(&*$%! people might think I’m just using an emoji. Convienient, but does take out the sting I’d of been hoping for.

But seriously, thanks for the explanation. If only my true swear words would present as funny words to innocent bystanders.

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So now if I do use a series of @/(&*$%! people might think Iím just using an emoji.
. . .
In HTML and UTF-8, a Unicode reference will generally start with &# and be followed by numbers or alpha-numerics. So lacking that, we can definitely tell you are using some pretty salty language above

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Now that Iím tipped off I can begin my rants per &#, say whatever I want, and deceive the least savvy amongst you.

What a great site this is.

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That's unicode not being translated properly. Probably an emoji off a phone.
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It usually is swearing. Thatís just how a large number of people speak, when words just do not come to mind to describe the feeling of a situation.
Hey now, I do my swearing in ISO 8859.

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OK, I'm happier now that I know where the characters are coming from. @XHILR8N!, not so much. GRIN

So, is there anything the Admins can do about it? (I doubt it, unless posts using those emojis are rejected somehow)

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So, is there anything the Admins can do about it?
. . . )
Sort of. Every HTML document should include a declaration about what character set is intended to be used to render the text. LotusTalk is using ISO-8859-1, also known as Latin1 because it’s intended to render Latin letters and Western European languages (and not much else). So the hex code for the checkered flag cited in your original example isn’t in that character set; LotusTalk sent it as plain text and your browser rendered it as symbols, numbers and letters.

A better character set (and the preferred standard) is Unicode encoded as UTF-8. This character set and encoding generally has room for every possible character in every language. For UTF-8 web pages to render correctly, the HTML document has to be encoded - “saved” might be a more familiar term - in UTF-8. Since LotusTalk lets users submit text for display through an editor presented from within the page, the Admin would have to ensure that text was being correctly encoded in UTF-8 also.

Once the web page is encoded in UTF-8 and that fact is declared in the HTML, it is up to your browser to render the text properly. A few browsers do this reasonably well (IE, Firefox) but many don’t. The LotusTalk admin can’t control what browser you use or how well it renders the specified character set. So it takes everyone’s cooperation to get things rendered as intended.

TLDR:

@Administrator - you should change the site character set/encoding to Unicode/UTF-8.

Everyone else - you should use a browser that can display the entire Unicode/UTF-8 character set correctly.

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I have seen this on a number of our sites already and will eventually be addressed. Right now we are still sorting out issues with our SSL upgrades to every site on the network.
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