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Question 2011+ Series 3 Lotus Elise Input Needed!

Hi all, for the past 6 months owning a series 3 Lotus Elise, the closest info I found are appearance changes, such as: Lotus Elise Model Guide

Here are three main information I like to gather:

1) There are some manufacture recalls from series 2 Elise, such as the plastic radiator, oil cooler hose, etc. How does these affect series 3 Elise? Do these problems got updated or still remained potential problems that I should look into along the future ownership of 2011+ Elise?

2) There are many great aftermarket supports from US, such as Section 111, GRP, LotusGarage and more; However, many parts are not 100% for 2011+ models such as the LIDbone trunk struct, etc. Are there any shop here can get custom made for 2011+ or shops offer year specified parts?

3) I find it very difficult to look for information about this year model. Even the Lotus book I managed to find aren't most updated for series 3. I know there are a few 2011 last year models in US. How do you manage to find info or solutions for the above questions? Or are local Lotus dealership helpful?

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There is no recall on the radiator. Your car has the same radiator as all the other 2zz cars.

The oil line recall only goes up to '08 last time I checked. Your Lotus dealer can tell you the most recent info,

Most non-body related parts fit all 2zz cars. The body of the 2011 is different so it may not be compatible with 05-10 cars.
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1) As an owner of a 2011 Lotus Elise R, I received notice from Lotus and have had the "oil line" recall completed by a Lotus dealer, in 2013 I think. I have nothing on the radiator but I believe that me73 is correct in his post.

2) Unfortunately, the 2011 owners have to be careful for just about everything we want to upgrade or replace. The subtle differences (mostly body changes) from the older models to the 2011 can be easily missed. I have personally experienced this with the "driving lights" modification as well as a "cruise control" from Monkey Wrench Racing (who are fantastic BTW!). Removing the "mesh" from the side scoops is another area where there is nobody with experience since there are only 77 Elise R's about. Another slight nuisance is an upgrade for the "tow hook" which doesn't sit exactly right.

3) The local Lotus dealership was of no help in this respect (and now they are out of business). I have been thinking of creating a thread just for the 2011 group to be able to share our experiences in one place instead of searching a myriad of threads.

If you want to discuss further, PM me.

Best of luck to you.

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Here's the recall notice for the 2011

Recall Details for LOTUS - Elise,Exige, 211 and Evora

In fact, here are all the recalls

http://www.dft.gov.uk/vosa/apps/reca...arch=newsearch

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I have been thinking of creating a thread just for the 2011 group to be able to share our experiences in one place instead of searching a myriad of threads.
Count me in.

Ive been bitten by the "Fits 2005+ Elise" bug a few times in my brief ownership of a 2011.

I've learned to reach out to the vendors before I buy, and specifically ask "Will this fit a 2011 Elise? Have you checked?"

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Count me in.

Ive been bitten by the "Fits 2005+ Elise" bug a few times in my brief ownership of a 2011.

I've learned to reach out to the vendors before I buy, and specifically ask "Will this fit a 2011 Elise? Have you checked?"
If it makes you feel better, I've been given parts for an '11 before because they thought it was for my '05, haha

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1) As an owner of a 2001 Lotus Elise R, I received notice from Lotus and have had the "oil line" recall completed by a Lotus dealer, in 2013 I think. I have nothing on the radiator but I believe that me73 is correct in his post.

2) Unfortunately, the 2011 owners have to be careful for just about everything we want to upgrade or replace. The subtle differences (mostly body changes) from the older models to the 2011 can be easily missed. I have personally experienced this with the "driving lights" modification as well as a "cruise control" from Monkey Wrench Racing (who are fantastic BTW!). Removing the "mesh" from the side scoops is another area where there is nobody with experience since there are only 77 Elise R's about. Another slight nuisance is an upgrade for the "tow hook" which doesn't sit exactly right.

3) The local Lotus dealership was of no help in this respect (and now they are out of business). I have been thinking of creating a thread just for the 2011 group to be able to share our experiences in one place instead of searching a myriad of threads.

If you want to discuss further, PM me.

Best of luck to you.

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I have the same troubles, I find it very difficult to see in websites whether a part fits my 2013 Elise or not. So count me in as well... Did you create the thread for 2011+ Elise ?
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You guys with 2011s might be better served by the European vendors such as EliseParts, Elise-Shop, Hangar111, etc since there are a whole lot more S3s over there. Even then you need to be careful since the 2011s are unique with the new body style but old engine.
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You guys with 2011s might be better served by the European vendors such as EliseParts, Elise-Shop, Hangar111, etc since there are a whole lot more S3s over there. Even then you need to be careful since the 2011s are unique with the new body style but old engine.
Agree, there are a lot more 2011+ Elise around here in Europe. But I believe it is worth having a thread with the specifics of this version, but more especially the parts that are common to S2. Most of the new parts are described in the press release from 2010:
http://www.hazelnet.org/brochures/2011_Lotus_Elise4.pdf

My main concern is that I don't know if a rear wing will fit my model when I see it fits an Elise S2 2005+ for example.

Just to add some info, according to Wikipedia (which I believe is correct in this case):
Series 3
Production 2011–present
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Engine 1.6 L Toyota 1ZR-FAE I4
1.8 L Toyota 2ZZ-GE I4 (2011 US Models)
1.8 L Toyota 2ZR-FE I4
Transmission 6-speed Toyota EC60 manual
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My main concern is that I don't know if a rear wing will fit my model when I see it fits an Elise S2 2005+ for example.
Good question. The 2011's definitely have some differences back there. The truck/engine cover is different (and not interchangeable with the 05-10's).

That's the kind of thing I've run into a few times before. The vendors aren't saying it WON'T fit, they've just never tested their parts on a 2011 specifically, to see if it DOES.
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Count me in.

Ive been bitten by the "Fits 2005+ Elise" bug a few times in my brief ownership of a 2011.

I've learned to reach out to the vendors before I buy, and specifically ask "Will this fit a 2011 Elise? Have you checked?"
Just done this as well. I just got off the phone from Section111, and their LIDBone won't fit in 2011+ Elise.


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Here's the recall notice for the 2011

Recall Details for LOTUS - Elise,Exige, 211 and Evora

In fact, here are all the recalls

http://www.dft.gov.uk/vosa/apps/reca...arch=newsearch"
Does this mean the only recall for 2011+ model would be the oil line? Have you guys look into this for your S3 Elise?

Will this fix the problem?
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I agree if there is an official thread for this year model information, at least this will help a few of us in the States.
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1) As an owner of a 2011 Lotus Elise R, I received notice from Lotus and have had the "oil line" recall completed by a Lotus dealer, in 2013 I think. I have nothing on the radiator but I believe that me73 is correct in his post.

2) Unfortunately, the 2011 owners have to be careful for just about everything we want to upgrade or replace. The subtle differences (mostly body changes) from the older models to the 2011 can be easily missed. I have personally experienced this with the "driving lights" modification as well as a "cruise control" from Monkey Wrench Racing (who are fantastic BTW!). Removing the "mesh" from the side scoops is another area where there is nobody with experience since there are only 77 Elise R's about. Another slight nuisance is an upgrade for the "tow hook" which doesn't sit exactly right.

3) The local Lotus dealership was of no help in this respect (and now they are out of business). I have been thinking of creating a thread just for the 2011 group to be able to share our experiences in one place instead of searching a myriad of threads.

If you want to discuss further, PM me.

Best of luck to you.

Lee
Thank you Lee! I will as well post the recent fix I have had to the turn-signal/flasher relay. The OEM was known to fail and replacement will fried in the same manner. Hope this would add to the contributions to the thread. The following flasher relay will fix the fast or not working turn-signal for the new LED lights/2011+ models:


In addition, I'm reading this thread:
https://www.lotustalk.com/forums/f259...hat-do-262873/

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Be sure you read up on how the windshield film works - from my research, it will scratch and pit easily, distort your vision and not work at all with polarized sunglasses. I'll risk a windshield for those detriments.

I agree with other posts about the toe links - there's a set from BOE in my garage right now awaiting installation.

The stock exterior mirrors are perfectly fine. Adjust the driver's side so you can just see the outside of your car with your head against the driver's side window. Adjust the other mirror so you can just see the outside of your car with your head in the middle of the cockpit. As cars pass you on the left or right, they will appear first in your rear view mirror, then in the side mirror AND the rear view mirror, then in the side mirror only. NO BLIND SPOTS.

I just received a set of DBW pedals from Sector 111. The gas and brake are just too far apart for me to roll my brake foot onto the gas without the bigger pedals.

I've got two years and over 10,000 miles on my 2011 Elise SC. Here are some of the mods I've done so far:

- I installed a micro rear view (interior) mirror from S111 to clear up some of the windshield.

- I replaced the 30 pound factory 12V wet cell with a 7 pound lithium ion battery.

- Added a Radium catch can and coolant overflow. The catch cans are for function and the overflow is because the plastic stock overflow looks so tacky (plus it will eventually split).

- Removed all the trunk carpet and padding. Anything I put in the trunk is in its own soft container and secured against movement.

- Added a 2.5 lb Halotron fire extinguisher. That exhaust is hot and real close to lots of combustible material.

- I ordered my car without Starshield and had 3M paint protection film installed to my specification by a local outfit. The biggest difference is I stopped the film at the seam on the nose (just below the Lotus badge). After 10,000 miles, there is one tiny stone nick about 14" up the nose...and that from driving in Alaska and Colorado in the mountains.

- I rebuilt the shifter using new cables from SSC, the LETSLA linkage and bracing of my own design for the sheet metal shift mount in the cockpit. This plus 60A urethane engine mounts at the front and back (I retained the stock rubber mounts left and right) made the shifter work a lot better. I've seen a huge variation in driver satisfaction with the shifter, so if your works fine, you can skip these items.

- Put security film on the inside of the rear window to provide impact resistance from rock strikes with the top off. This film is designed to make building windows mostly impervious to breakage for unauthorized entry. It takes a fire axe to get through (or around) the film, so it is really tough stuff, but you'd never know it was there.

- Fabricated and installed a custom HDPE splitter/chin protector. It has saved the nose several times.

- Installed a Bosch / VW programmable wiper delay. I love these things.

There is a lot more I will do, but the above items have added to the enjoyment I get from the car every time I drive it.

Glen

Do you find any of the advises from Glen apply to this year model as well?

Lastly, the following are major conclusions I have for the safety issues to S2 Elise which might pass on to S3. Let me know if these also found in the years of ownership of your S3 Elise?

1) As mentioned in the oil-line recall: ensure your car has had the work required by the recall for oil line fittings done. You could lose an engine and/or spin in your own oil.

2) Rear toe-links can loosen and break with disastrous results. You can check tq periodically, or use Nordlock washers. Best is conversion to better engineered brace, such as BOE’s for one example.

3) While under the car with panel off, look around for hoses and wires chafing their way to failure. That’s how this was found:
https://www.lotustalk.com/forums/f311...-u-tube-47232/

4) Are there more?


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here is the comparison between the region engine and transmission data side by side. If anyone can find more details on the specs. And does that mean the euro specs have different parts.... dare I say...
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Euro
2ZR-FE
Displacement 1798cc
Compression Ratio 10.0:1
Bore 80.5 mm
Stroke 88.3 mm
Weight (without fuel) 97kg (214Ib)
Transmission 6-speed Toyota EC60
1st 3.538
2nd 1.913
3rd 1.310
4th 0.971
5th 0.818
6th 0.700
Reverse 3.333
Final 4.294
Supercharger Magnuson R900 supercharger

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2ZZ-GE
Displacement 1796cc
Compression Ratio 11.5:1
Bore 82 mm
Stroke 85 mm
Weight (without fuel) 115kg (253.5 Ib)
Transmission 6-speed Toyota C64
1st 3.166
2nd 2.050
3rd 1.481
4th 1.166
5th 0.916
6th 0.815
Reverse 3.250
Final 4.529
Supercharger Magnuson R900 supercharger


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@RGB I have used lotus garage (https://www.lotusgarage.com/) and they were helpful and I am planning on getting some parts from the garage I bought my car from (http://www.baselinecars.de/) and they are pretty good with the specifics on parts and details. Another is Komo-tec (OXID eShop 4 | MK3 Toyota 2011 | purchase online) has parts specific to our models. Just still curious if there is any parts differences for euro and US models.
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Thank you Lee! I will as well post the recent fix I have had to the turn-signal/flasher relay.
I would love to hear the fix for this as I have the fast blinker......

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Removing the "mesh" from the side scoops is another area where there is nobody with experience since there are only 77 Elise R's about.
I would also love to know the secret for this as both of mine need a respray from all of the rock chips. I still have to do the clam off to fix the damaged front vents; I am not sure what the previous owner was doing to have a full hand print in one of the grills

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Glen?

Glen is the BEST!!

Anything Glen says is gospel.

Robert Konick from LotusGarage is great as well, pulled a few rabbits out of a hat for me, you can do no better.

1. As I have said, oil line recall done.

2. Toe link.... I have heard both sides on that one. To play it safe, put on the braces (I haven't myself but I check my links regularly).

3. Radiator.... was told that for the 2011, it's not an issue.

4. I check all hoses and connections as much as I can and with 43k on the clock, all is well.

5. Shifter.... my nightmare but I am patiently waiting for the Sector 111 replacement (and I have been assured that it will fit the 2011).

Oh yeah, I forgot about the lid bone, didn't want one but was looking at a hydraulic solution somebody came up with but won't fit the 2011 trunk lid.
BTW, the "bootie won't fit as well, the 2011 trunk floor is a little different too!





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Thank you Lee! I will as well post the recent fix I have had to the turn-signal/flasher relay. The OEM was known to fail and replacement will fried in the same manner. Hope this would add to the contributions to the thread.


In addition, I'm reading this thread:
https://www.lotustalk.com/forums/f259...hat-do-262873/




Do you find any of the advises from Glen apply to this year model as well?

Lastly, the following are major conclusions I have for the safety issues to S2 Elise which might pass on to S3. Let me know if these also found in the years of ownership of your S3 Elise?

1) As mentioned in the oil-line recall: ensure your car has had the work required by the recall for oil line fittings done. You could lose an engine and/or spin in your own oil.

2) Rear toe-links can loosen and break with disastrous results. You can check tq periodically, or use Nordlock washers. Best is conversion to better engineered brace, such as BOE’s for one example.

3) While under the car with panel off, look around for hoses and wires chafing their way to failure. That’s how this was found:
https://www.lotustalk.com/forums/f311...-u-tube-47232/

4) Are there more?


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I would love to hear the fix for this as I have the fast blinker......
Done. Posted up. Please look at #12 post.

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@RGB I have used lotus garage (https://www.lotusgarage.com/) and they were helpful and I am planning on getting some parts from the garage I bought my car from (http://www.baselinecars.de/) and they are pretty good with the specifics on parts and details. Another is Komo-tec (OXID eShop 4 | MK3 Toyota 2011 | purchase online) has parts specific to our models. Just still curious if there is any parts differences for euro and US models.
Great appreciated! Awesome info!

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Glen?

Glen is the BEST!!

Anything Glen says is gospel.

Robert Konick from LotusGarage is great as well, pulled a few rabbits out of a hat for me, you can do no better.

1. As I have said, oil line recall done.

2. Toe link.... I have heard both sides on that one. To play it safe, put on the braces (I haven't myself but I check my links regularly).

3. Radiator.... was told that for the 2011, it's not an issue.

4. I check all hoses and connections as much as I can and with 43k on the clock, all is well.

5. Shifter.... my nightmare but I am patiently waiting for the Sector 111 replacement (and I have been assured that it will fit the 2011).

Oh yeah, I forgot about the lid bone, didn't want one but was looking at a hydraulic solution somebody came up with but won't fit the 2011 trunk lid.
BTW, the "bootie won't fit as well, the 2011 trunk floor is a little different too!

Awesome to know that about Glen!!

1) Which part did you replaced and fixed the oil line problem? Would this one fix it?
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2) Would one of the two will fix the toe issue?
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3/4) awesome!

5) Looking forward to your shifter update when it comes out! The look alone is just amazing!

6) Thanks for the heads up; however, Section111 just confirmed with me that the bootie will fit.
As for the hydraulic trunk lift, there is one from GRP. I will confirm with them whether it fits or not.
GRP Hydraulic Trunk Lid Strut Kit ? GRP
just confirmed, it doesn't fit :/

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Sam,

The "bootie" might fit but it will not "sit" right.

Google "Lotus Elise Trunk", and look at the Images, the back of the trunk (the side against the engine bay) on all the older models that back wall are basically vertical except for a slight bow out on the right side (passenger side). Look at the the same back wall on your 2011, the whole back wall "bows" out so the bootie will fit but it will not sit right if you catch my meaning.

Years ago, my dealership had one so I asked if I could see how it fits and it didn't fit well(or at least, I didn't like it), so I didn't buy it.

Haven't seen a hydraulic trunk lift yet that will fit the 2011s.

The oil line was done by the dealer and poorly done and was re-sorted by my "engineer" (I won't call him a mechanic).

The toe links is your call, talk to a couple mechanics and then make your decision.

Thanks for sharing the "relay" fix, that's absolutely the information we want to share for the 2011s!

As pointed out earlier, we would be better suited to explore the European contingent for some better information.

AMOE did a nice job showing the difference between the Federal models to the European model engines but since there were some slight changes to the 2011 model, the question arises "Was there a change done to the ECU?" among other things.........

I hope I've been able to help you a bit.

It's a fantastic car and one of my most enjoyable pursuits.

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6) Thanks for the heads up; however, Section111 just confirmed with me that the bootie will fit.
As for the hydraulic trunk lift, there is one from GRP. I will confirm with them whether it fits or not.
GRP Hydraulic Trunk Lid Strut Kit ? GRP
just confirmed, it doesn't fit :/

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