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post #81 of 100 (permalink) Old 03-18-2004, 02:48 PM
 
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For any future questions about the leaking potential of the Elise soft-top ... here's your answer.


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The guys in England put them over their regular soft tops for additional rain protection.


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Okay, I'm going to screw up everyone's theories here. I'm a convertible junkie. Since I've had my Miata I've driven it whenever possible with the top down. If it's cold, I run the heater. Only if it's raining or if I'm taking a long drive with the sun blazing away, do I put up the top. I'm one of the few who uses the vinyl top cover, because I don't raise the top frequently enough that the top cover is a hassle.

However, I don't see the Elise as a convertible, really. I'd rather have a removable hardtop than a softtop, and I wouldn't be discouraged much if the hardtop weren't removable. The little bitty patch of sky that you get by removing the top just doesn't seem worth the extra noise , maintenance, and hassle of dealing with the soft top.

Especially since with the top off, the hot sun gets let into the car much more than the cool wind, I would probably keep the top on most of the time anyway.

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It's 92 dB if you really care to know .

of course as khamai alluded to in his post, if you know where the monitoring station is, you can sandbag it up the hill to keep under the noise limit.

i've heard they've started sending out a roving monitor to try to catch people they think are doing this though. seem ridiculous to me, given they're already monitoring us on the uphill when the car is as loud as it's going to get...

Some guys I know have a removable "Laguna tip" which directs the sound away from the pickup station.

Regarding aftermarket exhausts from Lotus, I think they're exactly that. No different (or any less legal) than those from any other aftermarket manufacturer.

I'll definitely be looking at a Lotus exhaust if it is shown to make decent power or save decent weight. But that's assuming I still have car-money left over after all the track days I want to attend .

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John, thanks for the 92dB clarification!

I can't wait to run this car at Laguna Seca. I had fun there in my MR2, but it didn't have enough power on that track. On the uphill straight, I'd only gain maybe 5mph!

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One of my funniest experiences at Laguna with the Sound Police was racing my Seven (1500cc) with open exhaust on the left-side of the car (away from the Laguna sound station). I was running with a Vette that had 4 inch duals out the back. He'd pull me on the straight from T4 to T5 and I would run up his rear under brakes into T5 and be sitting 1 foot behind him exiting T5. We did that for a couple laps, swapping positions. Finally got by him under brakes into the Corkscrew.

Anyway after the session the track officials show up at my paddock, look at the Seven and paste me with a sound warning! TOO LOUD!!! What??? I couldn't hear my car over the din of the Vette... Nope, "fix it by the next session or park for the weekend".

Next session the Vette had a couple cans wired onto the tailpipes and I didn't do a thing, but when asked if I had "fixed" my noise problem I nodded and went on track. Vette was nailed again, and I ran the rest of the weekend.
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Closed top all the way, I've had targas in the past and can only think of a hand full of times I ever had the top off, hell I hardly ever even open the sunroof on my current ride. There is just too darn much sun here in SoCal for open top cars unless your a poseur and like cruising the beaches here, and you like sunburns and Cancer, they just don't make any sense to me, and I will for sure have the hard top option, and I doubt it will ever take it off.
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Closed top all the way, I've had targas in the past and can only think of a hand full of times I ever had the top off, hell I hardly ever even open the sunroof on my current ride. There is just too darn much sun here in SoCal for open top cars unless your a poseur and like cruising the beaches here, and you like sunburns and Cancer, they just don't make any sense to me, and I will for sure have the hard top option, and I doubt it will ever take it off.
You can always purchase some sunscreen and a hat right?
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The worst part of having an open top is the black leather seats. In the summer time, I would keep towels in my fiat so that I wouldnt burn myself when I sat in the car.

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You can always purchase some sunscreen and a hat right?
Then i might as well have a roof on my car...Right?
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Then i might as well have a roof on my car...Right?
That'll keep all the germs of your passengers in the cabin. Thus your chances of death will increase exponentially. Of course you still have those pesky "windows of death" to deal with as well. I recommend coating those with aluminum foil just to be safe. You might run into more stationary objects, but at least the sun won't get ya.
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Here's my biggest fear with an open top...........................LMAO
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I ask this question because I have never, ever considered an open top car before. In the few open top cars I have driven, I have been turned off by the excessive sun, wind noise/buffeting, and knowledge that the car was giving up structural rigidity to its closed-top counterpart.

But because the Elise is supposed to have pretty good wind protection, and structural ridgidity is a non-issue, I do want it badly for what it offers as an entire package. I'll suffer any wind issues, and keep some baseball caps in the stowage net for sun protection.

So, here's the basic question: All things being equal, and if a closed top Elise was just as easy to get in and out of as an open top, would you prefer to buy a closed top car? Or what about a closed top with a sunroof that added no weight?

(And, please, don't weave in Exige comments! It's too different a car to fit into this question!)
Take hard top version,it can still be removed quite easily,so get best of both worlds.Wind noise and buffeting is exceptable level+from 80mph upto max 150 does'nt change+better a/c cooling with h/top.
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It is interesting to me how many people say they don't want the top to come down/off of their car even though they seem to have never tried it. The first time I drove a car with the top down, I was hooked. It is such a hugely different feeling. Someone in this thread said something about feeling more connected with their surroundings. I think that is spot on...and the best thing about a good sportscar is connection to the what is going on. So having the top go down seems like an obvious extention of that.

Sure, there are some little issues that are different in a car with its top down, but they are typically pretty easy to deal with. I'm 6'1" tall with long hair so I wear a cap or a bandana when I drive top down. Speeds on Chicago highways run up to and sometimes over 80mph and I drive 60 miles a day on those roads with no problems. Sometimes if it is very hot and humid I'll put the top up and turn on the AC...that's one of the things that is great about a convertable...you have a choice. Some people complain about the thermal insulation of a soft top. I can make my car downright cold inside on the hottest and muggiest days here in the midwest. I can also make the car unbearably hot inside on the coldest days.

Safety is another point people like to bring up. This point has some merit, although many of the non-convertable cars you drive have tops that will collapse easily in the wrong circumstances. It won't take you long to find many photos of examples of this on the Net. If you really are worried about safety, you should have a roll cage in any car you drive. Another way of looking at it: If you enjoy driving top down and there is some extra risk incurred, it might be worth it. We all do things that have risk associated with them, but we continue to do them because of the reward. For me, the risk associated with topdown driving is more than offset by the reward.

All of the rather minor issues in the care and use of a soft top are more than worth it for even one day a year of perfect weather with the top down...and nearly everyone gets a lot more than one perfect day a year.

For those who say they don't like convertables...I'll take you for a ride in the country on a warm clear starry night with the top down. I think you'd all enjoy that...you might even like it enough to do it again.

I suspect that the person who speculated that there is a gene associated with this may be somewhat on the right track...there are people who like it and people who don't. The only reason I think it is worth discussing is that there are people who haven't had the chance to try it and think they may like it. Those people shouldn't be scared off from something that they may very well find to be extreemly enjoyable. Of course, this is all a bit moot with respect to the Elise since it really doesn't give one quite the feel of being in a convertable...at least, it didn't give me that feeling when I sat in it.

On the other hand, if what you are looking for is a car that will insulate you from the sensations of driving, I'm not sure why you'd be buying an Elise.

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I read this whole post just to get someones opinion on the hard-top? No one, am I the only one that REALLY doesn't like the window edge.......straightness? It detracts so much from all the curving styling that makes me love the Elise! I've driven several Targas. My Supra TT was so slick I could prep it in slow traffic and do a pop and stow at a red light, freaked people out! Major downer on the Elise that the hard top doesn't stow to go. Major error! So for a weekend cruise or getaway it makes it one or the other only! YUCK! My other targas and the Elise, two completely different looking cars to me without that simple panel! Off it looks so much lower and elongated to me. No one mentioned at night driving, here coastal skies are amazing over the ocean, but you still have the full car look styling with the rear pillar work behind you. I hate the looks of full convertibles. To me.... a car... top chopped off...... window pillar sticking up in front. Not balanced, not complete in my eyes. Plus in the medical field you wouldn't believe how many friends have had tops slashed in the parking decks. ? they think MD + ragtop = drugs and briefcases of cash?? But it sure does happen toooo much. So does anyone want to dream of a possible rigid fold and stow take along? What do you think of how the hardtop looks on? It seems like a straight edge against the window, like the window rolls up past the boring edge and seats on up higher? But I apologize I haven't seen it in person?
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NOw we're complaining about the shape of the window?????

Well now that you mention it. I don't really like cargo net!
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I personally love the look with the hard top...
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I personally love the look with the hard top...
I do, too! Plus, I don't like convertibles and targas so I'm gettin' my Elise with a hardtop.

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There is just too darn much sun here in SoCal for open top cars unless your a poseur and like cruising the beaches here, and you like sunburns and Cancer, they just don't make any sense to me, and I will for sure have the hard top option, and I doubt it will ever take it off.
Hmmmmm... I finished growing up in Southern California (the desert area of San Bernardino to be exact), and my first car (when I was in high school) was a drop top. It was replaced with my Elan (a drop top). The roof of my Elan was up exactly 3 times while I lived there and used the Elan as my daily driver for four years. Once was just to see how the top went up. The other two times I was caught in a rain storm. If it was supposed to rain - which wasn't often - I took the other car. I commuted about 70 miles round trip to college, and 100 miles round trip to work after that, and put a lot of miles on the cars on the weekends.

I also have been using my Miata as my daily driver here in Virginia for the last 8 years and the top is down whenever the temperature is above 40 degrees...

So far, no sunburns, and no Cancer. Yep, 35 years of driving convertibles and motorcycles, without hats (helmets on the motorcycle though) or sun screen. I guess I'd better start worrying about cancer... Actually, I did have kidney cancer last year, and had a kidney removed - but I don't think I can blame that one on convirtibles...

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