Changes to the production Elise by VIN-DATE - LotusTalk - The Lotus Cars Community
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
post #1 of 49 (permalink) Old 04-29-2005, 07:00 AM Thread Starter
Forum Founder
 
Randy Chase's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Tail of the Dragon
Posts: 29,083
Garage
Changes to the production Elise by VIN-DATE

This thread will document all the changes we can identify, that have been made to the Elise since the first production cars were delivered to the US.

My plan is to spend more time later making a nice table, but for right now, to focus on gathering data. This will require help from everyone, specially in determining VINs. We can also, where we know, add in some approximate dates.

Please add to this list- we can categorize or collate it later.

First car delivered. Date. VIN.

Deletion of locking lug bolt and tool for rims.

Sport Pack rims changed to painted instead of anodized.

Rear Diffuser design changed. Added dimples for diffuser bolts to cross member.

Exhaust heat shield design change?

Deletion of second oil cooler on non-LSS cars

A/C fix, relocation of temp sensor.

Addition of wiring harness for running lights.

Removal of plastic plug on engine hood (where old antenna went)

Shift knob size and added a set screw

Finish change on gas door

Removed retaining strap for gas cap.

#somethingwickedthiswaycomes... the new Origin Noble M and the Origin 7

Zenos E10S for Sale! www.zenosforsale.com

There are some very shady dealers in the Lotus business.

2005 Lotus Elise, 1993 MR2, 1995 MR2, 125cc Shifter Kart, Toniq (in build), 2018 Origin 7 (waiting), 2018 Origin Noble M (waiting)
Randy Chase is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 49 (permalink) Old 04-29-2005, 07:11 AM
JWA
Registered User
 
JWA's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Racine, WI
Posts: 6,814
I'll have to check my VIN, though I don't think I was at the early stages of anything.

However, you should add the removal of the antenna plug from the engine cover, and if you want to get really detailed you could also track the changes in radios too.

--Josh
JWA is offline  
post #3 of 49 (permalink) Old 04-29-2005, 07:13 AM
Registered User
 
unibrain's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 95
Quote:
Originally Posted by Randy Chase
A/C fix, relocation of temp sensor.
How can I tell if my car has this modification?

VIN 32722
Build Date: Feb 2005

Deletion of second oil cooler on non-LSS cars? No
Addition of wiring harness for running lights? Yes

Jim
Unibrain Motorsports - One Brain is Enough for All of Us
'66 Lotus Elan
'08 Porsche Cayman S

Last edited by unibrain; 04-29-2005 at 07:16 AM.
unibrain is offline  
 
post #4 of 49 (permalink) Old 04-29-2005, 07:16 AM
Registered User
 
ChrisH's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Melbourne, FL
Posts: 2,771
I have VIN 2473, touring, base suspension
Indicated build date: Feb. 2005
Date arrived at dealer (Desert European in CA): April 8, 2005
Oil Coolers: 2

I communicated with a person on pursportscar.com that stated the following:
VIN 2704, touring, base suspension
Remembered build date: Jan. 2005 (he didn't go out to the car to check, so could be Feb. given how Lotus dates seem to slip)
Date arrived at dealer (East Coast): Early April
Oil Coolers: 2

The curious thing I found about comparing the two above was the large difference in VIN number for a similar build date. It sure seems like they may not be built in VIN order.

Last edited by ChrisH; 04-29-2005 at 07:36 AM.
ChrisH is offline  
post #5 of 49 (permalink) Old 04-29-2005, 07:51 AM
Registered User
 
CHRISN's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: INDIANAPOLIS, IN
Posts: 980
My VIN # 0742

Deletion of locking lug bolt and tool for rims. ........................ I have them.

Sport Pack rims changed to painted instead of anodized........ Painted

Rear Diffuser design changed. Added dimples for diffuser bolts to cross member............................................ .................................Dimples yes

Exhaust heat shield design change?........................................Not Sure

Deletion of second oil cooler on non-LSS cars......................2 oil coolers yes

A/C fix, relocation of temp sensor...................................A/C works heat no

Addition of wiring harness for running lights.......................Not sure.

Black antena plug on engine cover....................................Yes

La Blaupunkt......................................... .........................Yes

Star shield that goes up farther on the fenders......................Yes

Gas cap strap............................................. .....................No

Fuel door.............................................. ...........................old style

Ardent Red 2005
Delivered 12/04/04 #742 Auto Europe

Last edited by CHRISN; 04-30-2005 at 08:28 AM.
CHRISN is offline  
post #6 of 49 (permalink) Old 04-29-2005, 08:15 AM
Abe
Registered User
 
Abe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Torrance, CA
Posts: 3,871
Lightbulb Don't forget also...

Bigger shifter knob which I'm trying to figure out by VIN and also, fuel door finish. If you look at some of the fuel doors, some have that horizontal finish while the newer ones have the circular finish. The best I can figure out by VIN is 2787 and higher have the circular finish while, 2767 and below have the horizontal finish. That being said, I just went outside to double check and I found one with VIN #2870 with the horizontal finish also, the horizontal finish are darker while the circular finish are lighter.
Abe is offline  
post #7 of 49 (permalink) Old 04-29-2005, 03:10 PM
Registered User
 
MikeGalos's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Bellevue, WA, USA
Posts: 362
I'd say we need descriptions of how to quickly check the following items:
  • Rear diffuser design change - maybe some pictures?
  • Heat shield design change
  • A/C fix
  • Running lights wiring harness

Frankly, mine is early enough (0027) that it's probably a good test for determining what the earliest version looks like but some of these are hard to tell without comparison photos or at least good descriptions.

2005 Elise BRG, Touring, Hardtop
1991 Elan M100 (for sale)
MikeGalos is offline  
post #8 of 49 (permalink) Old 04-29-2005, 04:24 PM
Registered User
 
iRod's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Bellevue, WA
Posts: 506
Didn't they change the diffuser bolt style too? From something else to hex? And I don't know if the clutch rubber stopper was included in some cars and not on others, or if it just falls off and people don't notice.
iRod is offline  
post #9 of 49 (permalink) Old 04-29-2005, 04:30 PM
Registered User
 
Surferjer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Littleton, CO
Posts: 9,150
VIN 33, build date 4/04, delivery 7/21/04, none of the changes Randy notes. I wonder if I can retrochange my A/C so it actually works when it's hot.

The Starshield coverage changed, too. I know mine is cut a lot lower in the front than Evl's, for example, which was delivered in in January.

Jer
2006 Elise
2014 RAM 3500 DIESEL 4 X 4
2013 Jeep wrangler
1996 Miata race car
Surferjer is offline  
post #10 of 49 (permalink) Old 04-29-2005, 04:51 PM
Registered User
 
OneFastLotus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Mars
Posts: 5,607
Garage
I must be confused on the gas cap "strap". I have car #163 and #501 and neither one has a strap to hold on the gas cap.




OneFastLotus is offline  
post #11 of 49 (permalink) Old 04-29-2005, 04:53 PM
Registered User
 
peck555's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: White Plains N.Y.
Posts: 2,519
vin#1356 no hole for antenna,2 oil coolers,early gas cap,small shift knob(no set screw),no gas cap strap

Laser blue,biscuit, micro mirror, "Blue knob" ,HID lights,Euro LED rear lights,LED headlight rings,rear badge,blue starter button, replaced speakers,perma grin,
Club111 The Sith lord of the LB's loyal henchman
peck555 is offline  
post #12 of 49 (permalink) Old 04-29-2005, 04:58 PM Thread Starter
Forum Founder
 
Randy Chase's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Tail of the Dragon
Posts: 29,083
Garage
Quote:
Originally Posted by OneFastLotus
I must be confused on the gas cap "strap". I have car #163 and #501 and neither one has a strap to hold on the gas cap.
My car has one.

#somethingwickedthiswaycomes... the new Origin Noble M and the Origin 7

Zenos E10S for Sale! www.zenosforsale.com

There are some very shady dealers in the Lotus business.

2005 Lotus Elise, 1993 MR2, 1995 MR2, 125cc Shifter Kart, Toniq (in build), 2018 Origin 7 (waiting), 2018 Origin Noble M (waiting)
Randy Chase is offline  
post #13 of 49 (permalink) Old 04-29-2005, 05:01 PM
Registered User
 
OneFastLotus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Mars
Posts: 5,607
Garage
Bizarro. Wonder if there are differences at all stages of production for the gas cap strap thingy?




OneFastLotus is offline  
post #14 of 49 (permalink) Old 04-29-2005, 06:43 PM
Registered User
 
pinmagic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Arlington, VA, USA
Posts: 1,122
I recently saw a new Elise, and the heater control knobs definitely had more of a polished finish than mine -- mine are much more satin. (Mine's an early car.) The owner said they were stock.

Not sure if that holds true for all, or if the car I saw was an anomaly (spelling?).

Neil

My other car is an MR2 Spyder.
My other other car is a Segway.
pinmagic is offline  
post #15 of 49 (permalink) Old 04-30-2005, 06:22 AM
Registered User
 
adamant's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Salt Lake City
Posts: 1,315
As mentioned earlier, it would be useful to add pictures for people to compare. Wouldn't it be easier if it was a "vote" type form so that each item can be chosen from old/new/don't know. Some of the items on the list need pictures because I don't know the difference.
I have a mid 300 vin and
no gas strap.
The very early LSS wheels were shinier than mine but they do not feel like they are painted?
arial plug
I am sure all the other changes came later

2006 Exige Chrome Orange
adamant is offline  
post #16 of 49 (permalink) Old 04-30-2005, 08:17 AM
Registered User
 
sandsmuseum's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Northern Idaho
Posts: 803
perhaps a VIN registration database?

Perhaps we can create a VIN registration database. It will allow you to enter your VIN, other obvious cosmetic information and perhaps provide you with a list of check boxes to determine if you have certain modifications.

Pictures of the finish on the fuel door, with both finishes, will allow people to make the right call.

Anyone with a yen for some PHP and MySQL programming?

Michael

www.sandsmuseum.com
antique coin op repair
sandsmuseum is offline  
post #17 of 49 (permalink) Old 04-30-2005, 08:38 AM Thread Starter
Forum Founder
 
Randy Chase's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Tail of the Dragon
Posts: 29,083
Garage
Excellent ideas. I agree. It is becoming more apparent that the value of this data is worthy and that the complexity of the task is moving past a simple thread.

#somethingwickedthiswaycomes... the new Origin Noble M and the Origin 7

Zenos E10S for Sale! www.zenosforsale.com

There are some very shady dealers in the Lotus business.

2005 Lotus Elise, 1993 MR2, 1995 MR2, 125cc Shifter Kart, Toniq (in build), 2018 Origin 7 (waiting), 2018 Origin Noble M (waiting)
Randy Chase is offline  
post #18 of 49 (permalink) Old 04-30-2005, 09:04 AM
Registered User
 
khamai's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Nor Cal
Posts: 5,201
Quote:
Originally Posted by sandsmuseum
Perhaps we can create a VIN registration database. It will allow you to enter your VIN, other obvious cosmetic information and perhaps provide you with a list of check boxes to determine if you have certain modifications.

Pictures of the finish on the fuel door, with both finishes, will allow people to make the right call.

Anyone with a yen for some PHP and MySQL programming?

Michael
This was in a thread I started a few weeks ago, but it didn't get much in the way of feedback.

http://www.elisetalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10845

If I recall Unibrain said he might be able to help. Whatever is done it needs to be tied to ETalk or Club111.

Kiyoshi

Lotus events in California - www.gglotus.org
khamai is offline  
post #19 of 49 (permalink) Old 04-30-2005, 09:36 AM
Registered User
 
cranium's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: dc baby
Posts: 340
Hey guys,

Try this out. It is only a few questions right now to see if I can get the proper results and if it will work for our needs:
http://www.ccandcs.com/survey/public...Elise_Registry


I should be able to do reports and add questions with ease. Fill it out and let me know what you think. If it works for a couple people, I'll gather all of the questions and create a nice survey.
cranium is offline  
post #20 of 49 (permalink) Old 04-30-2005, 03:30 PM
Registered User
 
looney's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Gold Coast, Australia
Posts: 407
Radio Antena?

just out of curiousity, if you guys dont actually have an antena on your engine lid, where is your antena located?

i wonder if this is something i could modify on my car? because my radio reception is $#!t
looney is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

  LotusTalk - The Lotus Cars Community > Lotus Discussions > Lotus Elise

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the LotusTalk - The Lotus Cars Community forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in











Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome