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post #21 of 25 (permalink) Old 07-21-2003, 10:42 PM
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As far as the S2000 goes, it's ~1000 lbs heavier the the Elise we'll be getting, very peaky motor with a 9k redline with very little torque. The toyota as it stands isn't nearly as peaky & with a bit of Lotus tuning not a big concern (for now, we'll have to wait for the real deal).
Do you really think so? I've driven the S2000 and ridden in the Celica, and I think it's the other way around. Of course neither is as consistent across the band as my GS-R was.

Same goes for having very little torque: Pot. Kettle. Black. And if you include the gearing and look at the axle torque, the S2000 is actually a lot closer to its competition than the flywheel torque spec would lead you to believe.

Nit pick all you want, but driving an S2000 is an intoxicating experience. I really hope that the experience of driving the Elise is as much better than the S2000 as you would expect from a car that's 2/3 the weight with 4/5 the power. We'll all have to wait and see how the Federal version turns out, eh?

It's sad to see people taking potshots at other models when the one this board is meant to discuss doesn't even exist yet.

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It would need to be the K20A, which is only a small step behind the F20C.

... And more nitpicking, isn't it the 2ZZ-GE - the FE's are the econo motors if I'm not mistaken (or maybe it's just that the 1ZZ-FE is the econo motor?) [/B]
Yeah it's the GE. I was working and barely squeezed off the message; whaddya want? I generally just refer to it as the 2zz, as pretty much everyone knows what you mean. The strange thing is that I can't tell if most of the google references to the 2zz-fe are typos or not. Most of them refer to it as a 190HP engine and also say it lacks the variable lift, which is an unexpected combination compared with the U.S. GT-S engine.

I'd take the K20A over the 2zz, too.
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Nit pick all you want, but driving an S2000 is an intoxicating experience. I really hope that the experience of driving the Elise is as much better than the S2000 as you would expect from a car that's 2/3 the weight with 4/5 the power. We'll all have to wait and see how the Federal version turns out, eh?

It's sad to see people taking potshots at other models when the one this board is meant to discuss doesn't even exist yet.
That wasn't meant as a shot for the S2000, having a high/free reving motor is a blast to drive. Rather it was to point out that a car coming in at 2/3 the weight having a peaky power curve and not much torque isn't a big deal. Having a farily smooth one is what I'm more concern with.

(edit)For those of us early on the list. We'll be buying the car based on what we think the car will be like. Hopefully the mags will do some sneak peak write-ups to give us some real world feedback.

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(edit)For those of us early on the list. We'll be buying the car based on what we think the car will be like.
I'm kinda hoping that Lotus will bring over some test mules around the end of the year for us to try out before finalizing the order.

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Test mules are pretty rough around the edges and generally aren't complete cars, wouldn't think Lotus would bring those out. Pre-production models, if they aren't too busy with shows and the press would be our best bet.

Going in so early makes it tough to know all the fine details. Part of the fun of a new car, is learning them. Don't think we'll be disappointed but it's always better to know.
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