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post #81 of 101 (permalink) Old 03-22-2004, 07:35 PM Thread Starter
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Basically if China were to delink their currency from the US$ it would go up in value and they are under alot of pressure to do so. The understated part of that is that the US$ would lose significant value. it would make it so that the Chinese would no longer buy American debt becuase they would lose money on the deal.
China doesn't want to increase it's trade rate vs. the dollar. America is a huge revenue source for China right now. I believe we're the #1 importer of Chinese exports (correct me if I'm wrong). If the USD drops and China's currency rises, America's manufacturers will start building in America again, because it will be more cost-efficient. China wants to string us along as long as it can until it's completely industrialized. You should see the amount of 10 million s.f. factories and warehouses going up in China (funded, yes, by American corporations). It's insane!



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Which part do you want to write? I'm thinking about the following sections:

1. Production Outlook
  1. New Cars / Year figures
  2. Used Cars / Year estimates
  3. Dealership Waiting Lists
  4. Estimated Future Elise Options
2. Market Outlook
  1. Dollar Value Projections
  2. Estimated Mark-up on the Elise
  3. Estimated Future Elise Costs
3. Deposit Purchasing
  1. Which Dealers will Allow it?
  2. What Are Tax Implications in Your State?
  3. ...
Got any other ideas?
Real quick, I'm at work and I will be looking this over in more detail on Wed or Thurs. One of the first things we could do would be to split the work on 1c and 3a 50/50.. The question is, do we present ourselves as fact finders for the lotus community, or as potential buyers?

3b will take a while. Most people even at the VADMV don't even know the laws around tax.
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If the USD drops and China's currency rises, America's manufacturers will start building in America again, because it will be more cost-efficient.
They wouldn't start building back in the US, they would move to areas less expensive than China - SE Asia is filled with China wannabes and to a lesser extent Eastern Europe. Production isn't coming back to the US for a very long time.

One problems that China might face the Indian outsources have faced already was the rising value of their currency.
The value of the Rupee keeps going up & it's because the people that earned less than $100 a year are now earning $6000 or so a year. That's causing the econony to heat up. Becuase of that more people are investing in India causing the value of the Rupee up too. That's a double bonus for investors. X% increase in the investment and X% increase when they exchange the Rupee back to their local currency...
That also means that the money we pay them (US$) is not worth as much so they have to charge more making them less attractive fiscally.

Vicious cycle huh?
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Here are the dealerships that I have right now:
  1. Ascot Imported Cars, Inc.
  2. Auto Europe
  3. Autostrada
  4. Behlmann Mid Rivers Lotus
  5. Classic Automobiles, Inc.
  6. Criswell Lotus
  7. Dimmitt Cadillac
  8. Downtown Pontiac, Jaguar, and Lotus
  9. Fox Valley Motorcars, Inc.
  10. Gentry Lane Automobiles
  11. JN Lotus
  12. John Scotti Automotive
  13. Lotus Motorsports, Inc.
  14. Lotus of Atlanta
  15. Lotus of Greenwich
  16. Lotus of Los Gatos, LLC
  17. Lotus of Newport Beach
  18. Lotus San Antonio, Ltd.
  19. Manhattan Motorcars, Inc.
  20. Maplecrest Lincoln-Mercury-Lotus of Summit
  21. Matheny Imports, Inc.
  22. Midwestern Auto Group
  23. Overseas Motors
  24. Palm Beach Motor Cars Ltd.
  25. Park Place Limited
  26. Prestige Imports
  27. R. S. Motorsports
  28. Rothrock Specialty Motor Cars, Inc.
  29. Scottsdale Lotus
  30. Silver Star Lotus
  31. Smith Lotus
  32. Sports and Specialist Cars, Inc.
  33. Star Motor Cars
  34. Steve Harris Imports, Ltd.
  35. Symbolic Motors
  36. The Collection
  37. Valenti Motors, Inc.
  38. Weissach Performance Ltd.
Wanna split them alphabetically or geographically?

Seriously, though... I'll take 1-19 if you want 20-38 (I'd really rather not deal with Prestige, anyway.. lol)

I honestly don't know how to approach them. I think many dealers would provide realistic figures for the community, but at the same time, many will probably be a-holes about it.

I say we try to explain our purpose and see who we can get to cooperate. We can say that we're representing EliseTalk or USElise or whatever... maybe that will carry more weight than "oh, I'm just compiling information for some elise owners on eBay". LOL



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I've gotta say, seems that dear old Derek has his boxers in a bunch, and a lot of time on his hands too.

Transio's listing is a riot, keep it up.

I'm just hoping one of those true sports car buyers who doesn't want thier Elise will ring me up as a worthy owner.. Waiting for the next round of orders is DRIVING ME CRAZY.

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Here are the dealerships that I have right now:
  1. Ascot Imported Cars, Inc.
  2. Auto Europe
  3. Autostrada
  4. Behlmann Mid Rivers Lotus
  5. Classic Automobiles, Inc.
  6. Criswell Lotus
  7. Dimmitt Cadillac
  8. Downtown Pontiac, Jaguar, and Lotus
  9. Fox Valley Motorcars, Inc.
  10. Gentry Lane Automobiles
  11. JN Lotus
  12. John Scotti Automotive
  13. Lotus Motorsports, Inc.
  14. Lotus of Atlanta
  15. Lotus of Greenwich
  16. Lotus of Los Gatos, LLC
  17. Lotus of Newport Beach
  18. Lotus San Antonio, Ltd.
  19. Manhattan Motorcars, Inc.
  20. Maplecrest Lincoln-Mercury-Lotus of Summit
  21. Matheny Imports, Inc.
  22. Midwestern Auto Group
  23. Overseas Motors
  24. Palm Beach Motor Cars Ltd.
  25. Park Place Limited
  26. Prestige Imports
  27. R. S. Motorsports
  28. Rothrock Specialty Motor Cars, Inc.
  29. Scottsdale Lotus
  30. Silver Star Lotus
  31. Smith Lotus
  32. Sports and Specialist Cars, Inc.
  33. Star Motor Cars
  34. Steve Harris Imports, Ltd.
  35. Symbolic Motors
  36. The Collection
  37. Valenti Motors, Inc.
  38. Weissach Performance Ltd.
Wanna split them alphabetically or geographically?

Seriously, though... I'll take 1-19 if you want 20-38 (I'd really rather not deal with Prestige, anyway.. lol)

I honestly don't know how to approach them. I think many dealers would provide realistic figures for the community, but at the same time, many will probably be a-holes about it.

I say we try to explain our purpose and see who we can get to cooperate. We can say that we're representing EliseTalk or USElise or whatever... maybe that will carry more weight than "oh, I'm just compiling information for some elise owners on eBay". LOL
I take either batch; however, I'll take Criswell since my deposit is with Tom.

With Randy's permission, we could represent Elisetalk... Randy??

Again, I'll have more time to work on this a bit later. I'm getting ready to move my office to my new home, which will put me off-line for a bit.

Thoughts?
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With Randy's permission, we could represent Elisetalk... Randy??

No problem.

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I am sorry if I am hijacking this thread,

- but just a short question.

I don't see Ron Tonkin, Portland as a dealer in the list provided above.

Are they a dealer or not?

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Tonkin is NOT a Lotus dealer. They will not be getting the Elise.
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interesting

- given the fact that I have a friend who paid a deposit about 6 months ago even with the understanding that Tonkin would hike the price $2500 over MSRP.

I better talk to him. ( and no it is not me, I am with Park Place )

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BTW. I don't post a lot but I read too much on this board.
Just wanted to say that I love what this board has become.
Thanks. That is very cool.

P.S. The other mods know, I was offered money yesterday from someone who wanted to buy EliseTalk.

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What these Ebay sellers are doing is front-running the legitimate buyers. Think of them are your market maker, who knowing that a client is buying say Cisco, purchased CSCO before the client and resell to the same client and scalp a profit. It is quite an illegal activity, and the end result is an inefficient distribution of capital.
With all due respect, this really is an outrageous analogy. A "market maker" with insider information? Hardly. It's illegal to act on market information NOT AVAILABLE TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC. I -- like all the others on the wait list -- based my decision to get on the waiting list on information published in national magazines. It was info widely available to the general public. I just chose to act quickly on it, taking a risk by putting down my own money as a deposit. Others either didn't see the articles (hey, that's life), or chose to sit back and take a wait-and-see attitude.

In the great tradition of American capitalism, I now have the option of (possibly) being rewarded for my research (reading the mags), my quick thinking, and my risk-taking, if I choose to sell my place in line. Because I had the foresight to act quickly, I should now be rewarded. Why should someone who sat on his arse while I took the risk now come along and reap the same benefits?

You can take the stance that it's morally wrong, but to call it illegal just really shows that you don't have a clue what insider trading means, and how irrelevant it is to this scenario.

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Originally posted by agent.5 In fact, what some of you guys refer to capitalism is NOT capitalism in a philosophical sense, but the American version of capitalism -- which is any form of stealing is great as long as you can get away with it.
Again, this simply isn't stealing. We can argue the morality of it, but to accuse people of criminal activity is really ludicrous and grossly inappropriate.

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Again, this simply isn't stealing. We can argue the morality of it, but to accuse people of criminal activity is really ludicrous and grossly inappropriate.
I think the issue has always been one of morality vs. legality.



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Genjuro,

Why don't you take 1-19, then? I'll stick with 20-38.

What kind of timeframe are you looking at to get all this done?



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I think you really "deserved" to make your money. After all, you do "whatever it takes" to "be number one" and should be "rewarded." I don't feel like to be your shrink. You have sins and should talk to your priest.

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In the great tradition of American capitalism, I now have the option of (possibly) being rewarded for my research (reading the mags), my quick thinking, and my risk-taking, if I choose to sell my place in line. Because I had the foresight to act quickly, I should now be rewarded. Why should someone who sat on his arse while I took the risk now come along and reap the same benefits?
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Originally posted by agent.5 After all, you do "whatever it takes" to "be number one" [/B]
Have no idea where that comes from, or what it means. But the use of quote marks does lend an air of credibility, I guess.

Sorry, but I prefer rational discussion over wild accusations and ugly innuendos. When you care to engage in some constructive dialogue, you know where to find me.

And by the way, you've once again jumped to conclusions without knowing the facts. I don't have a Priest.

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I am actually quite tired of this subject matter. If you do a search, there is a huge thread with a lot of discussion of the same subject matter. I don't care if you sell your spot, I also don't care if I have to wait a couple months extra to get my car. It is legal to sell your Elise to a sucker and the Fed is not going to send SWAT to bust your door and arrest you at night. And I feel sorry for the sucker and you. However, what you are doing is not capitalism. Look up the definition of capitalism in your dictionary.
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Canwe give this thing a proper burial. I can't find the beating a dead horse pic, but this has been done to death on numerous threads, can it end now please!!

Stop the insanity, serenity now!


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Can we focus on the manual instead? I started two new threads in the "Other" section where you guys can continue this argument



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Genjuro,

Go to http://www.uselise.com/dealerships/

I have the dealers listed alphabetically there. Click on them to find contact info.

You take the first 19, and I'll take the last 19.

I'm going to contact as many as I can electronically to keep my phone bill down



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