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Lotus shows 2020 Elise!

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The first Tesla Roadster, or Tesla car of any sort, was an Elise they found a way to electrify.

Meanwhile Lotus have floundered around and let their best ever money maker, and track rat enabler, turn into rumors and sighs.

I put this up to show what a future Elise might look like. Power source? I don’t mind electric, but would sure miss trying to find that elusive perfect manual gearshift.

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Tesla Shocks Us With New 2020 Roadster, Does 0-60 In 1.9 Sec!


The first Tesla Roadster, or Tesla car of any sort, was an Elise they found a way to electrify.

Meanwhile Lotus have floundered around and let their best ever money maker, and track rat enabler, turn into rumors and sighs.

I put this up to show what a future Elise might look like. Power source? I don’t mind electric, but would sure miss trying to find that elusive perfect manual gearshift.


When I saw the pics of it I was not impressed. It's a bit generic and doesn't look all that special. However, when I say the pic above my initial reaction was it actually looks a little like the Dany/Coco Elise from that angle.



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When I saw the pics of it I was not impressed. It's a bit generic and doesn't look all that special. However, when I say the pic above my initial reaction was it actually looks a little like the Dany/Coco Elise from that angle.



I agree with your conjecture, the proportions match, and it would make sense to leverage off of a previous design.

After all, it was an electric Elise that jump-started Tesla.

I've always thought the Tesla model S was based on the Lotus Eterne prototype.
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It looks like Tesla took the Elise style and ran with it. Futurized a lot like that Elise prototype from the “Lotus Lifestyle” days.

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Well it won't "serve as the final nail in the coffin for ICE vehicles" with a $200K price tag. That's insane. Ludicrous even.
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I would be very happy if the 2020 Elise looked like the new Tesla.

May be Tesla can partner with Geely? I'll buy the 2000 lb Elise, and Tesla can make the 3,800 lb electric Roadster.

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I would be very happy if the 2020 Elise looked like the new Tesla.

Maybe Tesla can partner with Geely? I'll buy the 2000 lb Elise, and Tesla can make the 3,800 lb electric Roadster.
It's too bad Elon didn't buy Lotus, we could have had future Lotus made in Fremont, CA or even more racy looking SpaceX products.
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Well it won't "serve as the final nail in the coffin for ICE vehicles" with a $200K price tag. That's insane. Ludicrous even.
I have to politely dissagree on the pricing comment. For the "stated" performance and range of the roadster, at that price point it is a bargain! If the claims are indeed true it is punching way above it's price and would make hypercars blush.

Keep in mind, I am strictly speaking from a very speculative performance aspect.

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I have to politely dissagree on the pricing comment. For the "stated" performance and range of the roadster, at that price point it is a bargain! If the claims are indeed true it is punching way above it's price and would make hypercars blush.

Keep in mind, I am strictly speaking from a very speculative performance aspect.
Agreed, compared with the posted Mclaren P1 specs, the new Tesla is a bargain at $250K.
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I have to politely dissagree on the pricing comment. For the "stated" performance and range of the roadster, at that price point it is a bargain! If the claims are indeed true it is punching way above it's price and would make hypercars blush.

Keep in mind, I am strictly speaking from a very speculative performance aspect.
I see your point, but you have to take my point in context. A $200K car is a halo, not something that will impact the masses. If Tesla wants to put the nail in the coffin for ICE vehicles, they are going to have to deliver on the promises of the Model 3 or something like it. Even if they do get the Model 3 to a profitable place, the 220 mile range seems like it is a limitation. If they can do something like the Model 3 with a 400 mile range and still keep the price around $35k, *that* might be an ICE killer.

I still see your point. 0-100 mph in 4.2 seconds is hard to imagine; even at a $1M price other marques haven't achieved that (yet). How do they get the tires to grip at that point?

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I see your point, but you have to take my point in context. A $200K car is a halo, not something that will impact the masses. If Tesla wants to put the nail in the coffin for ICE vehicles, they are going to have to deliver on the promises of the Model 3 or something like it. Even if they do get the Model 3 to a profitable place, the 220 mile range seems like it is a limitation. If they can do something like the Model 3 with a 400 mile range and still keep the price around $35k, *that* might be an ICE killer.

I still see your point. 0-100 mph in 4.2 seconds is hard to imagine; even at a $1M price other marques haven't achieved that (yet). How do they get the tires to grip at that point?
Nope, I get that point you made completely and I agree with you there. They are already in production hell with investors and Wall Street keeping a keen eye on the broken production and delivery promises of the Model 3. Not to mention the fit, finish and quality control issues across all models. (Yeah right a guy who owns two Lotus talking about fit and finish....yes I see the irony ).

I don't see the new roadster or the 3 being nails in the coffin for ICE vehicles. I do believe it will eventually come one day and I say bring it....nothing wrong with progressing forward in my books but we have awhile to go yet. It is going to take more than Tesla to make that happen but I do like what they are bringing to the table.

I am very excited seeing car companies churn out these new electric performance vehicles.
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Above I wondered when the tire traction would become the limiting factor of a 0-60 mph time. I came across this video:

That is surely tire dependent, and his math is based off a 2014 Corvette which I believe came with a Michelin Pilot Super Sport run flat. Spoiler: he estimates 2.0 seconds as the limit for that tire for 0 - 60 mph. The 2020 Tesla Roadster will require some quite sticky tires to achieve a 1.9 second time in the real world.

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Yep.

In the 40s, it was thought that a car couldn't do under 10 seconds in 1/4 mile.

At that time (yes, pun), they didn't expect tires to have a coefficient of friction greater than 1.0.

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Above I wondered when the tire traction would become the limiting factor of a 0-60 mph time. I came across this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAvIVGGhEis

That is surely tire dependent, and his math is based off a 2014 Corvette which I believe came with a Michelin Pilot Super Sport run flat. Spoiler: he estimates 2.0 seconds as the limit for that tire for 0 - 60 mph. The 2020 Tesla Roadster will require some quite sticky tires to achieve a 1.9 second time in the real world.
Great find! I too wonder how the heck they can do it and how many times it's even achievable on said same tire. Could you even imagine feeling that kind of acceleration under your foot? I've been in some fast cars, the closest to these specs (from a 0-60 perspective) was riding shotgun in a fully prepped rally car a few years ago. It was driven by a former F1 driver turned rally instructor on a dirt and gravel course. I'm not joking....it was fun and scary as hell at the same time.

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Funny the same guy has released a video about this topic, this car specifically, today:

As I guessed above, he mentions that the tire technology will dictate the time. Running the numbers with drag radials he came up with 1.52 seconds.

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Well a top fuel dragster gets to 60 in about .2 seconds, so there is that.....
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