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Why so many '05s?

The vast majority of Elises I see for sale are 2005s. Is this because Lotus imported a much larger number of that model year, or do people just keep their '06+ Elises?
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Most Elises in the US are 2005s


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Yup, everybody who wanted one and could, bought one. Lotus' marketing is terrible and didn't spread the word, so demand dwindled very quickly


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I knew the drop off from 05 to 06 and then the huge fall from 07 on, but seeing it laid out like that - wow, what a disaster. Obviously the financial crisis had something to do with it, but apart from that and marketing, what else explains it?

Doesn't bode well for the 2020 reintroduction of the Elise...

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Seriously interesting chart there, thanks for providing that!
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Chart is incorrect for 2010's. There's 26 2010 Elise's.
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Sorry guys, I just found the chart in an old thread so I have no extra info

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Agreed, the chart is super interesting.
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+1 the drop off is amazing.

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I knew the drop off from 05 to 06 and then the huge fall from 07 on, but seeing it laid out like that - wow, what a disaster. Obviously the financial crisis had something to do with it, but apart from that and marketing, what else explains it?

Doesn't bode well for the 2020 reintroduction of the Elise...

Tach it up - where do the numbers come from?
I feel like it was a bunch of people said that they wanted a lightweight, agile sports car (which they got) and realized that what they really wanted was a nice-looking GT car which was easy to live (get in and out of) with and had creature comforts.

Seeing people talk about Lotus most places on the internet always makes me sort of cringe and think "what you really want is a luxury car, and you care more about impressing people than actually driving". Also, there's always the 7' 4" guy who always chimes in complaining about how he doesn't fit.
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Obviously the financial crisis had something to do with it, but apart from that and marketing, what else explains it?
The falloff from 06-07 was all about Lotus finances as the US recession didn't start until late 07. After Lotus was granted their first NHTSA exemption for the Elise, the strict condition was that they would need to make all cars manufactured after January 1, 2007 compliant with rear collision standards. This is why the early 07 Exiges (manufactured in late 06) do not have a rear bumperette.

How much money does a rear bumper cost after R&D and compliance testing? Millions. That's nothing for large volume car makers, but for Lotus it's significant. Here's what the NHTSA exemption quoted:

Specifically, developing Part 581-compliant bumpers would cost $6 million dollars over a period of 2 years.

Once the bumpers were legal, the US recession only compounded problems for Lotus from 08 and beyond. Bottom line, Lotus spends a ton to export to the US, but our ludicrous safety standards inflate the cost-to-benefit ratio for small manufacturers like Lotus. Now you see why Noble exported unassembled cars to the US - all for the sake of dodging expensive NHTSA rules.
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Are there one of these charts for the Evora?

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I wonder how many of those have been totaled over the years...

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I wonder how many of those have been totaled over the years...

Considering how few insurance companies even have this car in their databases, I doubt such info has been compiled by them at least. Not surely I really want to know either...




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So probably safe to assume there are only approximately 1000 2006 Elises in the country...that really puts things into perspective...
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So probably safe to assume there are only approximately 1000 2006 Elises in the country...that really puts things into perspective...
Yes. It's kind of funny sometimes to see people posting here something along the lines of WTB: 2006 (or any year, for that matter) Elise. Must have touring and LSS, hard top, low miles. Must be XX or XX color only. Must be within driving distance of X. Cash in hand (I've never known anyone who didn't insist on money when selling their car, so I'm not quite sure why so many people add that).

It's as if they think there are a bunch of these cars out there.

Owned, loved, enjoyed, and now gone:
1969 Europa S2 Blue
1970 Europa S2 White
1974 Europa Twin Cam Blue
1974 Europa Twin Cam Blue
1984 Turbo Esprit Calypso Red
2005 Elise Starlight Black
2005 Elise Saffron Yellow
2005 Elise Ardent Red
2006 Exige Graphite Grey
2007 Exige Canyon Red

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I wonder how many of those have been totaled over the years...
Would be a tough number to guess.
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Considering how few insurance companies even have this car in their databases, I doubt such info has been compiled by them at least. Not surely I really want to know either...
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I agree. Always makes me sad when you see a new post on here - 'totaled my Elige.' And then someone says, oh well, it's just a car, as if we're talking about some econobox...

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It makes me sad when I read some yahoo criticizing Lotus for not coming out with the favorite car configuration. It shows a lack of understanding among those who should know better.
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