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05 vs 2008 SC elise times?

Is this true?

2005 Lotus Elise 0-60 mph 4.3 Quarter mile 13.0
2008 Lotus Elise SC 0-60 mph 4.4 Quarter mile 13.3
2011 Lotus Elise SC 0-60 mph 4.4

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Why would a 05 NA be faster then a 08 & 11 SC?

A NA 05 to NA 08 with all the additional options by default in an 08 would make scene, but a SC version?

edit: looks like the wiki says the 07 made a jump near 200 lbs putting the 0-60 closer to 4.9. So I guess the SC gets it back to 4.4. Man every pounds counts.

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The '05 Elise that did those times was a ringer. It was an early production unit that Lotus shared with the car mags for review. We may never know what it was about that car that made it so quick, but the truth is production '05 aren't as quick out of the factory.
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The '07 isn't really any heavier than the '05. I don't know where the 200lb comes from. The S/C adds something like 40lb to the car if you've got that, then the additional trim like fancier materials, spoiler, etc, add a little bit more weight in '08 cars.

My '07 started out naturally aspirated, and I had the Lotus Sport supercharger installed, making the car's powertrain exactly the same as a factory Elise S/C. The difference is enormous. The numbers may get a little bit better, but most of the difference lies in the driving feel. Past 4000RPM or so, you have torque, and plenty of it; the car just pulls. There is no noticeable torque bump when the 2nd cam kicks in at a low 4400 RPM. The car goes from being a peaky high-rev monster which you have to keep over 6200 RPM to a much more flexible machine that can accelerate strongly at a broad range of RPM's. Love it!
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I dont think a stock 05 could reach 60 in 4.3sec unless dropped from a plane.

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I dont think a stock 05 could reach 60 in 4.3sec unless dropped from a plane.
No, it can not.

Its actually somewhere closer to 5.
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I dont think a stock 05 could reach 60 in 4.3sec unless dropped from a plane.
Agreed. I've owned an '06 Elise NA (Naturally Aspirated), an '08 Elise NA that was converted to an SC (Supercharged), and an '11 Elise SC. There is no way that an NA Elise is as quick to 60 in stock form than a stock SC Elise. The '05 Elise NA that was tested, was a "ringer" as posted above. The published numbers by Lotus for a 2005 Elise NA is listed at 0-60 in 4.9 seconds, and 4.7 seconds with the optional Sport Pack (with lighter forged wheels). The Federal Lotus Elise SC from Model Years 2008 to 2011 is officially listed by Lotus as doing 0-60 in 4.4 seconds.

These numbers are often mixed up in advertisements and superseded with independent test numbers, so the confusion is very understandable.

A great example can be found in this quote from Car & Driver after testing an Elise SC:
"Surprisingly, the SC’s 0-to-60-mph time of 4.5 seconds was a 10th slower than the naturally aspirated Elise we tested in ’04 but quicker than the 4.8-second sprint of a naturally aspirated Lotus Elise we tested last year. We’re thinking that first Elise may have been an unnaturally fleet example."

The full article can be found here: http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...take-road-test

Lastly, Lotus of Portland would advertise an Elise SC, taking the "ringer" test numbers quoted in the above test, accept them (disregarding Car and Driver's belief that they may have had an unnaturally fleet example), and claims it as advantageous in making the Elise SC slightly more drivable day to day. The excerpt is as follows:
"..... The base Elise gets to 60 mph in 4.4 seconds, and the SC trim is a tenth of a second slower, but has a smoother power curve, making it slightly more drivable day-to-day....."

And thus the quicker NA vs.SC myth perpetuates....
It's just unfortunate that 0-60 in 4.3 or 4.4 seconds is not true of the production Elise NA version.

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Just the thought of the redline clutch dump required for the NA car to get the best acceleration time makes me grit my teeth.
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Most manufacturers exaggerate thier 0-60 times. If you need to rev it to 8500 rpm and drop the clutch then count me out. Real world for me is 2000 rpm roll out the clutch then you hit the throttle and my car is very quick (2011 Elise SC) much quicker than my old 350Z. I did notice my car is a quite a bit slower with a 200 lb passenger.
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Most manufacturers exaggerate thier 0-60 times. If you need to rev it to 8500 rpm and drop the clutch then count me out. Real world for me is 2000 rpm roll out the clutch then you hit the throttle and my car is very quick (2011 Elise SC) much quicker than my old 350Z. I did notice my car is a quite a bit slower with a 200 lb passenger.
Not about straight line, but...

If you look back through the C & D Lightning Lap data (all run at VIR) the 05 Elise ran a considerably faster lap time than did a later year factory supercharged Elise.

At the time all the usual suspects were trotted out to explain...different drivers (unconfirmed), weather & track conditions (quite plausible), the S/C Elise was a beat up press car (unconfirmed as to its condition) and the fact that the 05 came from the factory with wider front tires than the S/C Elise.

And what caused even more gnashing of teeth here...the S220 Exige lapped quite a bit faster than an S260 Exige.

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Perhaps the gauge it through the speedometer which is 8% fast
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I dont think a stock 05 could reach 60 in 4.3sec unless dropped from a plane.
when i dropped mine from a plane - it did 3.85. I hear DarkSol's does 3.5 0-60. On the road!: But that is the 400whp Nikasil block crowd...)

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when i dropped mine from a plane - it did 3.85. I hear DarkSol's does 3.5 0-60. On the road!: But that is the 400whp Nikasil block crowd...)
354whp. I wish I had 400whp

Actually my average over five runs is 3.63 0-60. It's definitely traction limited.

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I dont think a stock 05 could reach 60 in 4.3sec unless dropped from a plane.
It should be quite abit faster than 60 at 4.3 secs in this case... with no aero drag, it would be to 60 by 2.7 seconds or so... Just say'n...


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My physics calculations tell me the elise should be way slower than let's say a GT-R when dropped form a plane it could compare to dropping a feather and a cinder block..

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It should be quite abit faster than 60 at 4.3 secs in this case... with no aero drag, it would be to 60 by 2.7 seconds or so... Just say'n...
The "less than" 4.3 seconds was implied in my original post. Rest assured I considered the acceleration of gravity before posting . The drag is not negligable, so we will have to do some instrumented tests. I think we have some pilots on these forums.


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when i dropped mine from a plane - it did 3.85. I hear DarkSol's does 3.5 0-60. On the road!: But that is the 400whp Nikasil block crowd...)
Yes but you guys cheated, which I fully encourage

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It should be quite abit faster than 60 at 4.3 secs in this case... with no aero drag, it would be to 60 by 2.7 seconds or so... Just say'n...
i'm a big fan even at my lowly 292whp. It passes emissions for Christ's sake. Has a factory cat & manifold. SICk sick sick stupid fast.
I got confused - Phil's the man at 405+whp. And track records out in Kansas?. Beating the crap out of modified Corvettes and Porsches? Jeez Louise. All these Elises are 2005's. They have throttle cables....and they know how to use them. Remember, I believe we have DOCUMENTED evidence of lag in the DBW system at times , in certain cars, 2006 onward.. There is ZERO lag in the REV400 2005's. That's why I call WOT in my car "Bye Bye everyone mode". I'm pretty sure I read about that DBW acceleration lag in this board somewhere. This could explain the slow times for the model years specified.

But the "slow" times are still pretty quick when you think about it. Spring is coming....

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My physics calculations tell me the elise should be way slower than let's say a GT-R when dropped form a plane it could compare to dropping a feather and a cinder block..
Well that's not really right.... Ignoring air resistance, the GTR and the Elise should both make it to 60 in about the same 3 seconds and even hit the ground at about the same time when dropped from a plane in flight....

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I have a considerable amount of experience dropping things from airplanes. Depending on the orientation of the thing being dropped it can have a significant amount of lift from the forward motion of the aircraft. An aircraft large enough to carry the 2000lb load is going to have to move at a good clip (100+mph). It takes a human between 4 and 9 seconds to get to 60mph from 12,500' (the drop altitude affects the rate as well).

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Mine was a NA 2005 Elise and I know it was faster than 4.7

I always wondered about the posted number on the 05 Elise. I owned one for 4 years, and moving to a 600hp supercharged Porsche 997 from it proved to be almost a step down for me. My Porsche was clocked at 3.9 sec, and I swear the Elise felt faster lol. I know cars are subjective and just because something feels fast doesn't mean that it is fast, however, I remember racing a guy in a BMW 135i, which had small mods (factory is about 4.7 sec car), and doing 3-4 pulls I was considerably faster, to the point of this guy stopping me to talk about it and not believing me that mine was NA car. I understand that there are exceptions from car to car, and mine was purchased used and had about 40k miles at that time, had aftermarket exhaust and small mods, but I'm fairly certain the car was a low 4 sec car. Now I kind of wish I had it tested. Miss that car...
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