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post #61 of 177 (permalink) Old 10-30-2010, 10:54 AM
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I have a unique perspective on this subject. My GTO with the LS2 and 6spd is by most definitions a supercar with incredible abilities but most people dont know what it is. The Elise in just the week that I have owned it has gotten far more attention than any car I have driven in years(maybe that says something about driving RX7's and Miata's). Drove it to dinner the other nite and parked at the door. Not only did several servers meet me at the door but watching people respond to it as they walked or drove by was priceless. My wife is still upset that I didnt get a Porsche but I couldnt be happier.
As far as I am concerned about the code of conduct, our sole obligation is to promote the love of cars with young kids. Answers, rides, pictures; just whatever it takes to encourage the fantasy. If I have to explain, you wont understand.
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Pulled into a gas station in the Exige yesterday off the 405 and was swarmed by a bunch of kids who jumped out of a minivan to take pics in front of my car.

For me, that's the barometer of "exotic or not". If a bunch of 12/13 year old kids want to take pictures of your car... that's the purest vote for exotic.



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meh, I get 10 times more attention in my 78 corolla than i do with the lotus. the corolla is FAR from exotic...

one time I was going through the 3rd street area of santa monica on a sat night... this gorgeous blonde and her bf/date/husband were walking down the street. all of a sudden, she is just staring at me... I hear the guy say "cool car" and then I hear her say "OMG I KNOW, I WAS JUST LOOKING AT IT!"
it wasn't because of me.

anyhow, I drive any car like I would like to be treated on the road... with courtesy.

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In 1978, nobody would notice. ergo, not exotic.

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I actually generally agree with the tenets he had down. Code of conduct I dunno, but I already kinda adhered.

RE: Exotic... well when I see people jumping around in their cabin x3 or more stoplights away I would have to say yes... My opinion is the color catches their eyes ( CO ) from far away, then the lines of the vehicle set the hook. I imagine considerably less attnetion if I was driving a Silver Lotus. I bet it would be more car enthusiasts who would catch it while rolling. Anyway like others have alluded...

I know ladies would'nt give me attention because of the car, but they certainly will give the car attention I have found. I just keep my ego out of it when it comes to women.

With kids and enthusiasts, I get excited myself everytime talking about it with them. It might get old we will see, but I don't drive it everyday so it's an event in a way for me when I do.
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Even though I don't consider myself to be an "exotic car owner", I try my best to follow this code of conduct. Thanks for posting.
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I think the author represents the exotic car owner well. It's true that exotic owners have a snobby reputation, and I think it's important to set a good example for everyone else.

I do have to agree with what was mentioned earlier, about keeping the car clean all the time. I know several exotic owners who live on dirt roads, and keeping the car clean all the time is pretty much a losing battle. Everyone has their standards though.

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My rule is this, if it is impractical, difficult or expensive to maintain, but you put up with it anyway, and others react to it, you have an exotic.

Most of the people I run into in the Lotus or any other exotic I own or have owned are genuinely nice. I went to get my hair cut the other day and the woman's young adult son asked to take some pictures of my car and asked me what I did for a living and how I succeeded etc. because he wanted to have an exotic. He was very polite. I explained to him my philosophy on military service, education, etc. His mother mentioned that he was in need of motivation and direction, maybe I helped a little by being nice. And I recall when I was younger or still in military, school etc. and wasn't at the point of owning an exotic yet. Some owners were accepting, polite, and others were dismissive or rude because I had not yet "arrived" I try to never be that guy.

That said, dealing with a few of the jerks that you run across as an owner has inspired me to start the "Exotic Car Observers Code of Conduct" Feel free to add to it.


Exotic Car Observers Code of Conduct

1. An exotic car is public property, I may sit in it, lean on it, or hoist my muffin top crammed into jeans shorts with metal buttons onto the hood for a photo op.

2. An exotic car owner is obligated to listen to my fantasies about things I used to own or am going to own. Any disruption or shortening of the stories is arrogant and rude.

3. As an observer I have the right to request your personal financial details, address, phone number, place of employment, email address, or other information I feel you owe me.

4. Although you do not know me I have the right to request a ride and/or to borrow the car, as per rule #1 the car is communal property you are out of line if you do not do so.

5. Any failure to perform specific maneuvers such as burn outs, drifting, and or racing me on the street upon my request is acknowledgement that your car is inferior.

6. Because I have observed that anyone making less money than me is scum, and anyone making more is undeserving you must acknowledge my moral superiority and accept my dismissal of you.

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I agree 100% if only because there is a myriad of snobs out there who think because they can afford a $200,000.00 auto and you can't, that they're somehow "better" than you. I've been very fortunate in my interaction with exotic car owners. On the GT40 website, those owners were more than happy to take time out of their busy days to give me a ride. I went up to Raliegh to ride in a MKI, to Asheville, and to Laurens, SC to ride in a pair of MKIIs. I, myself, have told many of my friends that if I bring the Esprit over, they can drive it. So, to anyone who doesn't have the time to be curtious enough to answer questions about their ride, for cryin' out loud: IT'S ONLY A CAR.
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... My GTO with the LS2 and 6spd is by most definitions a supercar...
A pontiac GTO ????????????

FUK NO, THATS NOT A SUPERCAR
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A pontiac GTO ????????????

FUK NO, THATS NOT A SUPERCAR
Yeah, I had to laugh at that.

Not sure it's a new one or vintage muscle one, but I don't consider a car that I can buy at one of about 10 dealers within a 40 mile radius a 'supercar'

Sure, one can take the stock commonplace car and throw a bunch of money at it and trick it out, but that makes it a tricked out common pedestrian car. It doesn't make it a supercar. It's missing the 'rare and exotic' factor exclusive to supercars. Regardless of model, there's nothing rare or exotic about a Pontiac.

Nice car? Probably. Supercar? Not so much.
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Also, I'm never impressed with someone's 'car'

Just because someone owns a car with a high price tag doesn't really mean anything.

For example, they could pay a huge portion of their monthly budget/income on said car. They could have an amazing car, but live in a crappy apartment. They can have an amazing car that eats all of their budget and have no savings, or worse, have little money left over so that they finance their normal bills with credit cards. And then you have people with luxury cars and most are leasing (which means you are paying on the value of the lease (term-residual). Most people driving $80K BMW 750s didn't buy they - they leased them so they are paying the lease value on the $32K value of the lease, not the $80K.

I do however, wonder what people's stories are. For example, a guy shows up at Supercar Saturdays each time in his Murci SV. Car is, what, $500K? Dude is a Polish guy who speaks no English. Wonder what his story is.
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Also, I'm never impressed with someone's 'car'

Just because someone owns a car with a high price tag doesn't really mean anything.

For example, they could pay a huge portion of their monthly budget/income on said car. They could have an amazing car, but live in a crappy apartment. They can have an amazing car that eats all of their budget and have no savings, or worse, have little money left over so that they finance their normal bills with credit cards. And then you have people with luxury cars and most are leasing (which means you are paying on the value of the lease (term-residual). Most people driving $80K BMW 750s didn't buy they - they leased them so they are paying the lease value on the $32K value of the lease, not the $80K.

I do however, wonder what people's stories are. For example, a guy shows up at Supercar Saturdays each time in his Murci SV. Car is, what, $500K? Dude is a Polish guy who speaks no English. Wonder what his story is.
The Polish guys family probably owns Poland or soemthing - you know how those aristocracies work in Europe.

As for being impressed, well, I certainly enjoy seeing other exotic cars out there. They are rare, exciting, fun to watch and listen to.

Whats wrong wit having no savings? WTF are you supposed to do with money besides spend it on stuff you want?

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Ummm... Maybe its just me but I don't agree with most of this. I'll run down the list:

1. I agree and I have lived by this... even with non exotics lol.

2. Negative... At times its cool depending on how someone approached. But for the most part I am a very private person... even with people that I know. And also, it just gets annoying. Now I'm not saying I be rude to anyone but most times I politely avoid conversation. And when I'm in the car and I see someone in my peripheral signal for me to roll down my window, I try my hardest not to look. I just rather keep listening to my music. See my old thread here for examples.

3. Negative. I have let children sit in before but never adults. And most people aren't courteous... they think you owe them something.

4. For the most part agree but some roads are impossible to do the speed limit on.

5. Agree.

6. I have never actually went to any car gathering. It would probably be full of parents having there kids sit on top of your car.

7. Ummm. No. I just don't communicate that well with someone I'm not trying to have sex with.

8. See number 7.
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Ummm... Maybe its just me but I don't agree with most of this. I'll run down the list:

1. I agree and I have lived by this... even with non exotics lol.

2. Negative... At times its cool depending on how someone approached. But for the most part I am a very private person... even with people that I know. And also, it just gets annoying. Now I'm not saying I be rude to anyone but most times I politely avoid conversation. And when I'm in the car and I see someone in my peripheral signal for me to roll down my window, I try my hardest not to look. I just rather keep listening to my music. See my old thread here for examples.

3. Negative. I have let children sit in before but never adults. And most people aren't courteous... they think you owe them something.

4. For the most part agree but some roads are impossible to do the speed limit on.

5. Agree.

6. I have never actually went to any car gathering. It would probably be full of parents having there kids sit on top of your car.

7. Ummm. No. I just don't communicate that well with someone I'm not trying to have sex with.

8. See number 7.
I'm have pretty much the same feelings with everything you said. The attention is fun at first, but can get old pretty fast. I'm always polite, but sometimes I'm just not in the mood to chat with every single stranger about my car. I've had people running up to me when I am pulling out of a parking lot waving there arms at me to stop like it's an emergency (This happened three times since I've owned the Lotus). The times I've stopped, they just started yelling to me: "Does GM make those?" "I gotta ask, I just gotta ask, how much did that thing run ya?" Most people are nice, but many are also just rude and annoying. Unfortunately, many think that when you have a nice car you are obligated to give a press conference to anyone with any questions.

This guy really thinks it's my job to entertain everybody? The writer of this seems patronizing and self-righteous to write a "code of conduct" and expect everyone to follow his rules, then copyright it and post it on every car forum. It's just my opinion, but it seems like a bit much.

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I'm in line with all of the items on the list.

It's just a car. I don't care who sits in it and I even let most people with whom I'm friendly drive it.

It's not the first car I've owned, it's hopefully not the last.
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After reading some of the comments here I can see why most folks think of the Lotus community as a bunch of snobs.

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I haven't really seen anything narcissistic here. Is not feeling obligated to converse with the general public in all situations narcissistic? If so, call me a narcissist

Like most here, I am happy to entertain onlookers and I will gladly answer questions about the car to kids and adults alike. I have let strangers sit in my car and have even taken people out for rides. However, what I will not tolerate is people who are rude and inconsiderate. If people make rude/disparaging remarks, no need to converse any further with them. If people ask nosy personal financial questions ("How much do you make?" "What do you do?" "How much did you pay for that thing?" etc), no need to converse further with them. You can pretty much tell when these questions are asked in a condescending way by the tone of voice, and 90% of the time they are.

Remember, it takes two people to have a conversation. If someone is making you uncomfortable you should never feel the need to respond at all.

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I just try to remember I am an Ambassador of the Lotus Marque. I have spent entire sessions at the track when I really wanted to watch the other races, but instead I politely answered questions, opened the engine cover and allowed people to sit in the car. I probably do this because Mr. Marriott did the same thing for my son with his Ferrari Daytona and even took him for a ride. He is a class act. Pass it on.
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I dont feel the need to do anything SPECIAL with or because of this car.

Yes, I keep my car impeccably clean - I keep ALL my cars impeccably clean. As well as my house, my office and all of my man parts. I'm a clean freak - that's how I roll. Hell, bring a washmitt and two microfiber towels and about $3 in quarters to a self wash and the car is clean in 7 minutes wit no clean up.

That being said, I feel no special need to adhere to any 'code of conduct' with this car. Is it an exotic? I think so. Like others have said - like porn or love, you can't define it, but you know what it is when you see it. If 98% of the public thinks it's exotic, it's exotic. Most people go batsh*t for these cars or Lambos, etc because they are rare and RARELY see them. That's the same reason they don't even look when a 911 goes buy - they have seen them a million times over (same body style for 732 years!).

I do however, just use common courtesy. If people wanna take pics or have a little kid sit in it - sure thing. A) because I'm a nice guy and B) when I was a kid, I wish exotic car owners would have let me. That one pic with a kid could make that kid's day. Why not? As long as people aren't dbags (and there are TONS of them), I'm cool and happy to oblige.

I'll give a story - many in the Chicago area know Carla - she's this tiny 40ish Italian woman who owns an Ithaca Green Murci Roadster with 'BAD BULL' plates. That car turns heads like no other and many have seen it around (she drives it a lot). My 11 year old nephew is a certified car nut and huge into photography/video. He actually took a picture of her car in a Caribou Coffee parking lot and blew up a really cool angle of it with the BAD BULL plate. Very artistic and cool. He's got it on his wall along with pics of my car, a McClaren F1 and Zonda R and a few others. Anyhoo, I mentioned this to her at a Supercar Saturdays event and she gave me a look like I was retarded - btw, my nephew was standing next to me!! I was taken aback. Who knows, maybe, like a ball player or celeb, she's tired of questions and/or attention, but it comes with the territory. Drive a flourescent green $450K car and people are gonna magnet to you.

By comparison, this really cool dude had a white Countach about 3 cars down from hers. He let my nephew sit in it with full scissor door up mojo. Kid had a massive smile on his face and it's his Facebook profile pic!

So...the moral?

Our cars aren't $400K Lambos, but right or wrong, they DO illicit the same response. I keep that in mind. What grown up doesn't like putting a smile on a kid's face?

That's part of the reason I bought my silly little Mini Moke. Is it rare? You betcha. 99.9% of people have no idea what it is. With the Elise, I get the 'how much did that cost' question the most With the Moke, I get 'what the hell is that?'. I love it. It's fun. It make people smile. All for about $2K. That's what cars should do. I've had that thing for 2 months and I've probably driven 40 different neighborhood kids around in it.

Crazy story - was a our local water slide pool place the other day and a lady who heads up Chamber of Commerce was there with her kids. Her daughter and my 20 month old son were playing in the sand together while my wife and her shot the breeze. My little Moke is in the lot but totally visible from where they were sitting. Lady says 'wow, that looks like fun', to which, Mrs SwingLo replies 'yeah, it's my goofy husband's'. I walk up a few minutes later and she asks all about it. She then says 'got a weird question for you. Would you be interested in driving it in the 4th of July downtown Parade on Monday?'. So, that's what I'm doing tomorrow morning. I'm heading out to Party City to buy streamers/flags/etc to do it all up! Got an email from her late last nigh saying that a) I'll most likely be in the FRONT of the parade right before some old vintage fire truck and b) one of our local politicians may be riding in the car with me throwing out candy!!!

Oh, and my suburb has about 48,000 residents. There are well over 150,000 people in the immediate area (western Chicago burbs) and apparently this is a VERY well attended parade. I was have an absolute blast. My kids will have a blast and have a lifelong memory of being waved at by 10,000 people and I will make little parade watchers smile.

THAT, my friends, is why I have that car. THAT is worth more to me than any code of conduct.

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