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post #81 of 177 (permalink) Old 07-03-2011, 01:56 PM
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I dont feel the need to do anything SPECIAL with or because of this car.

Yes, I keep my car impeccably clean - I keep ALL my cars impeccably clean. As well as my house, my office and all of my man parts. I'm a clean freak - that's how I roll. Hell, bring a washmitt and two microfiber towels and about $3 in quarters to a self wash and the car is clean in 7 minutes wit no clean up.

That being said, I feel no special need to adhere to any 'code of conduct' with this car. Is it an exotic? I think so. Like others have said - like porn or love, you can't define it, but you know what it is when you see it. If 98% of the public thinks it's exotic, it's exotic. Most people go batsh*t for these cars or Lambos, etc because they are rare and RARELY see them. That's the same reason they don't even look when a 911 goes buy - they have seen them a million times over (same body style for 732 years!).

I do however, just use common courtesy. If people wanna take pics or have a little kid sit in it - sure thing. A) because I'm a nice guy and B) when I was a kid, I wish exotic car owners would have let me. That one pic with a kid could make that kid's day. Why not? As long as people aren't dbags (and there are TONS of them), I'm cool and happy to oblige.

I'll give a story - many in the Chicago area know Carla - she's this tiny 40ish Italian woman who owns an Ithaca Green Murci Roadster with 'BAD BULL' plates. That car turns heads like no other and many have seen it around (she drives it a lot). My 11 year old nephew is a certified car nut and huge into photography/video. He actually took a picture of her car in a Caribou Coffee parking lot and blew up a really cool angle of it with the BAD BULL plate. Very artistic and cool. He's got it on his wall along with pics of my car, a McClaren F1 and Zonda R and a few others. Anyhoo, I mentioned this to her at a Supercar Saturdays event and she gave me a look like I was retarded - btw, my nephew was standing next to me!! I was taken aback. Who knows, maybe, like a ball player or celeb, she's tired of questions and/or attention, but it comes with the territory. Drive a flourescent green $450K car and people are gonna magnet to you.

By comparison, this really cool dude had a white Countach about 3 cars down from hers. He let my nephew sit in it with full scissor door up mojo. Kid had a massive smile on his face and it's his Facebook profile pic!

So...the moral?

Our cars aren't $400K Lambos, but right or wrong, they DO illicit the same response. I keep that in mind. What grown up doesn't like putting a smile on a kid's face?

That's part of the reason I bought my silly little Mini Moke. Is it rare? You betcha. 99.9% of people have no idea what it is. With the Elise, I get the 'how much did that cost' question the most With the Moke, I get 'what the hell is that?'. I love it. It's fun. It make people smile. All for about $2K. That's what cars should do. I've had that thing for 2 months and I've probably driven 40 different neighborhood kids around in it.

Crazy story - was a our local water slide pool place the other day and a lady who heads up Chamber of Commerce was there with her kids. Her daughter and my 20 month old son were playing in the sand together while my wife and her shot the breeze. My little Moke is in the lot but totally visible from where they were sitting. Lady says 'wow, that looks like fun', to which, Mrs SwingLo replies 'yeah, it's my goofy husband's'. I walk up a few minutes later and she asks all about it. She then says 'got a weird question for you. Would you be interested in driving it in the 4th of July downtown Parade on Monday?'. So, that's what I'm doing tomorrow morning. I'm heading out to Party City to buy streamers/flags/etc to do it all up! Got an email from her late last nigh saying that a) I'll most likely be in the FRONT of the parade right before some old vintage fire truck and b) one of our local politicians may be riding in the car with me throwing out candy!!!

Oh, and my suburb has about 48,000 residents. There are well over 150,000 people in the immediate area (western Chicago burbs) and apparently this is a VERY well attended parade. I was have an absolute blast. My kids will have a blast and have a lifelong memory of being waved at by 10,000 people and I will make little parade watchers smile.

THAT, my friends, is why I have that car. THAT is worth more to me than any code of conduct.

BTW - this is my silly little Mini Moke (getting a full resto this winter):
I enjoyed reading your post. It's interesting about the difference in experience dealing with the Murcielago and the Countach owners.

I've had similar experiences with older exotic car owners vs newer ones. I've been to a few cruises in the two years that I had my Elise and the four most exotic cars I've encountered are an F355, Diablo SV, F430 and Bentley CGT. I chatted with the owner of the Diablo for a good 15 minutes and he was extremely happy to talk about the cars and was actually very interested in the Lotus. I didn't chat with the owner of the F355 as long, but he was a very nice guy and complimented my car. However, the owners of the F430 and Bentley seemed to look down their noses and me and didn't want anything to do with a lowly Lotus owner. Kind of acting as if it was an insult that my cheap $58,000 semi-exotic was in their presence.

Maybe it's just a coincidence, but I've found the owners of older exotics to be much more of "car guys". However, this is just from limited experience and I'm sure there are many exceptions to this trend.

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wow...I had to read that again...thanks
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oh god mike you just had to revive this god aweful thread.... I need to call the shaman again and bury this thing in the desert.
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sorry, squid...didn't know it was a sore spot...
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sorry, squid...didn't know it was a sore spot...
Hehe not really but I do find the idea that lotus owners should subscribe to some sort of code of conduct to be about as pretentious as one can get... (barf)
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I don't think you could find a higher expression of narcissism than the original post. And, since you can now buy a recent model Elise for something in the low $20's, I think calling it an exotic is a stretch. Can you buy any other undamaged Bentley, Ferrari, Lamborghini, Maserati, Aston Martin, etc. (not Porsche; if they make well over 100,000 of something every year, no matter what they charge for it, it's not exotic), built within the past 5 years, that costs $22k?

Substitute "high end stereo," "20 carat diamond," "personal aircraft," "yacht," and this still works. Now put in "'88 Taurus," "mobile home," "Timex," "iPod," and you see how ludicrous it is.

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sure but once you put $200k into it, fixing it up.......

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At the risk of upsetting people who dislike this thread or the "code"...or rehashing the exotic/supercar debate, I wanted to post that as a brand new owner, I had a good experience following the code.

I won't weigh in, at this point, whether we drive supercars or exotics, but I can certainly testify to the fact that I am awestruck at the amount and level of attention, commments, turned heads, shouts, thumbs up, kisses blown and smiles this vehicle gets! This is not my first sportscar, but certainly my first Lotus.

Still have dealor plates; I have added a total of about 200 miles, and the "comment" activity is amazing! Anyhow, yesterday, I used my G.F. needing a ride to the grocer as an excuse to take the Elise out. I dropped her off at the front and parked way out in neverneverland in order to continue my ongoing read and programming attempts regarding the stereo ...anyhow, My goal of obtaining some privacy that far away only seemed to exacerbate the high level of attention this little red roadster gets! People continually drove over to gawk, take photos and ...etc etc. At one sudden point an SUV pulled abreast of my Port-side and a female passenger, perhaps late 20's, politely asked, "Sir, may I take a picture of your car?" Most people don't make such a polite inquiry...they simply lay on the brakes in the middle of an intersection and whip out the phone/camera. I hopped out saying, "Sure!...would you like to sit in it?" She looked completely surprised... as did her husband, and their two little kids. She had the tell-tale gangster tattoos around and about the eyes which made me wonder for a moment about the wisdom of my offer; but only a moment, because the husband came over and was so grateful and shook my hand and must have said thanks six times. She sat in the cockpit and said, "It goes so fast!" (speedometer???) and he peppered me with really good questions about the engine, (in the back) handling (amazing) smoothness of ride (not so much, sport pack, tell difference in dime and penny...hardship for my G.F.) ... but never inquired as to price...I believe out of respect.

Afterwards, I wondered if most people in my position in life (wear a suit and tie during the week) would have made it past the outward judgement of this couple, and made such a positive connection. What I am trying to say is, as corny as it sounds, that because I was trying to share the enthusiasm for this car, I feel that a little more goodness may have been added to the world!

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At the risk of upsetting people who dislike this thread or the "code"...or rehashing the exotic/supercar debate, I wanted to post that as a brand new owner, I had a good experience following the code.

I won't weigh in, at this point, whether we drive supercars or exotics, but I can certainly testify to the fact that I am awestruck at the amount and level of attention, commments, turned heads, shouts, thumbs up, kisses blown and smiles this vehicle gets! This is not my first sportscar, but certainly my first Lotus.

Still have dealor plates; I have added a total of about 200 miles, and the "comment" activity is amazing! Anyhow, yesterday, I used my G.F. needing a ride to the grocer as an excuse to take the Elise out. I dropped her off at the front and parked way out in neverneverland in order to continue my ongoing read and programming attempts regarding the stereo ...anyhow, My goal of obtaining some privacy that far away only seemed to exacerbate the high level of attention this little red roadster gets! People continually drove over to gawk, take photos and ...etc etc. At one sudden point an SUV pulled abreast of my Port-side and a female passenger, perhaps late 20's, politely asked, "Sir, may I take a picture of your car?" Most people don't make such a polite inquiry...they simply lay on the brakes in the middle of an intersection and whip out the phone/camera. I hopped out saying, "Sure!...would you like to sit in it?" She looked completely surprised... as did her husband, and their two little kids. She had the tell-tale gangster tattoos around and about the eyes which made me wonder for a moment about the wisdom of my offer; but only a moment, because the husband came over and was so grateful and shook my hand and must have said thanks six times. She sat in the cockpit and said, "It goes so fast!" (speedometer???) and he peppered me with really good questions about the engine, (in the back) handling (amazing) smoothness of ride (not so much, sport pack, tell difference in dime and penny...hardship for my G.F.) ... but never inquired as to price...I believe out of respect.

Afterwards, I wondered if most people in my position in life (wear a suit and tie during the week) would have made it past the outward judgement of this couple, and made such a positive connection. What I am trying to say is, as corny as it sounds, that because I was trying to share the enthusiasm for this car, I feel that a little more goodness may have been added to the world!
It doesn't matter what the person looks like, or dressed like, or whatever... So that has nothing to do with me deciding that I'm not about to have a conversation with and offer to let every non-sexy female sit in my car.
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How are they not exotic when you have to look for weeks, months or a year to find a Lotus?.

whoever thinks theres tons of cars to buy out there should re check, these cars are rare as they get
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The other day my mid-twenties daughter "broke" the code of conduct (I am still laughing inside). We went to breakfast and a mid-60s couple was strolling down the sidewalk. The man turned to his wife and said "That is one sweet car, wish I had one". The wife said "I think that car is F***ing ugly". My daughter, (almost as a reflex) said "I think YOU are F***ing ugly" to the bitter crone. At the time she said it I was horrified (I usually strive to be polite, with the exception of the occaisional posting on this forum).

Later the same day an older man and his two children in their mid-twenties were standing around to admire the car. I let the two kids sit in the car and take pictures with them behind the wheel. The father could not get into the car (he kinda got stuck trying). I popped the soft top of the car to make his entry and exit easier. He looked happy as a clam once he was behind the wheel. About 20 minutes after they left his wife showed up and proceeded to thank me many times for letting him sit in the car. As it turns out, he is a serious gear head and had always wanted a Lotus. He was also in the final stages of cancer. Kinda made me feel good for helping a man with one of his bucket list items. Had I known this, I would have taken him out for a spirited ride.

It never hurts to make others feel good about themselves, although (in the first example), some people just enjoy being contemptuous. I normally try not to be the unaproachable sports car snob we have all seen. I put my pants on one leg at a time, like everyone else.

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The other day my mid-twenties daughter "broke" the code of conduct (I am still laughing inside). We went to breakfast and a mid-60s couple was strolling down the sidewalk. The man turned to his wife and said "That is one sweet car, wish I had one". The wife said "I think that car is F***ing ugly". My daughter, (almost as a reflex) said "I think YOU are F***ing ugly" to the bitter crone. At the time she said it I was horrified (I usually strive to be polite, with the exception of the occaisional posting on this forum).

Later the same day an older man and his two children in their mid-twenties were standing around to admire the car. I let the two kids sit in the car and take pictures with them behind the wheel. The father could not get into the car (he kinda got stuck trying). I popped the soft top of the car to make his entry and exit easier. He looked happy as a clam once he was behind the wheel. About 20 minutes after they left his wife showed up and proceeded to thank me many times for letting him sit in the car. As it turns out, he is a serious gear head and had always wanted a Lotus. He was also in the final stages of cancer. Kinda made me feel good for helping a man with one of his bucket list items. Had I known this, I would have taken him out for a spirited ride.

It never hurts to make others feel good about themselves, although (in the first example), some people just enjoy being contemptuous. I normally try not to be the unaproachable sports car snob we have all seen. I put my pants on one leg at a time, like everyone else.
I liked your story. Thumbs up to your daughter, she did the right thing.

I am generally polite to people and happy to answer questions about the car, but once people start acting rude all bets are off. If someone is so low class that they feel the need to insult your car, they need to be set straight. The jealous wife will probably think twice before she opens her big mouth to insult someone else's car now

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I understand and try to adhere to the code of conduct but one question, how do you guys deal with the constant stream of "how much did it cost" questions?
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I understand and try to adhere to the code of conduct but one question, how do you guys deal with the constant stream of "how much did it cost" questions?
"Google is your friend." is my go-to answer.

I'm just tired of all the mustangs wanting to race when I just want to get home. lol
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It depends on the approach of the person.
Sometimes I tell them sticker, but that it can be found for less used. Sometimes Ill say it's comparable to insert car of same value.
One time I was actually rude because of how I was approached. I'm sitting in my car with a friend just having a conversation when this guy scared the living crap out of me by poking his head through the open window with his hand on the roof with a lean going "dayum, how much does this cost?" I replied that it was none of his business. Looking back now I was kind of an ******* but who the hell does that?
Another common response is the funny "I stole it" comment which kind of let's then know you aren't going to discuss it and still makes people smile.
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When someone says 'How much does it cost?'

I say 'How long is a piece of string?'

They go, 'huh?'

And I drive away.
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I agree it depends on the person/situation. If they are nice and are asking because they think it's something amazingly expensive I'll give them new pricing. If they are a "car guy" and are generally interested in what they go for I'll tell them what I paid used.

I don't think most people mean anything negative about it - when they see a flashy car they've never seen before and they want to talk about it that tends to come up in their mind first.

If I'm being sort of a d!ck I'll say "about $35 a pound". I usually get a response like Lo gets....

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The evora is cheaper per pound @ $26 if you go off a sticker of 78k (average price for a loaded N/A car I believe).
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I understand and try to adhere to the code of conduct but one question, how do you guys deal with the constant stream of "how much did it cost" questions?
I answer "about the same as a ______ " and name some other sportscar in about the same price range.

Nobody ever admits they don't know how much _______ costs.
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