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post #101 of 1498 (permalink) Old 10-23-2012, 04:48 AM Thread Starter
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There's no substitute for "seat time". Or at least, that's what I've been told.
So true! I remember preparing for my first HPDE. I was looking at buying a Kirkey racing seat, racing tires, brakes etc........Lol.
Didn't take me very long to realize that "seat time" was the best mod I could invest in to make "my car" faster
It's comical hearing the Novice drivers telling me after their first track day that all they need is a turbo, racing shocks/tires and the such to make them faster. I think to myself, I've had the exact same thoughts for a split second until I realized how terrible of a driver I was. Seat time trumps all the mods in the world.
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From the Sports and Specialist Track Day at NJMP's Thunderbolt Circuit. It's a little boring at times, but comments are always welcome. Motor failure at the end, too!



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Please be sure to revisit this thread and let us know what happened to the motor. Ouch....


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From the Sports and Specialist Track Day at NJMP's Thunderbolt Circuit. It's a little boring at times, but comments are always welcome. Motor failure at the end, too!

Sports and Specialist Track Day - 2012 - NJMP - Thunderbolt Circuit - YouTube
This is great video. Watching this helps me to understand many of your pointer that day. THX

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This is great video. Watching this helps me to understand many of your pointer that day. THX
My pleasure! Like I said, you just need more seat time. The speed will come. I PROMISE.

You keep working on building the muscle memory of the basic techniques and it will all fall into place from there.

And thanks for posting on our YouTube page!


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Videos from Lotus Cup

My first race in the Lotus Cup at Chuckwalla, starting in 5th and ending up 2nd.


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Bob, I just watched your SM race 1 - that's some good video editing, and a lot of dicing in the spec class - awesome!
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Sepang International Circuit, Malaysia

Just did another trackday at Sepang International Circuit, F1 circuit in Malaysia.

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Eddy, at first I thought this was a "bloopers" video! Lol.
That must have been quite the ride for your passenger at the beginning of the video. You really started to pick things up once the spins were under control.

For you and everyone else contributing to this thread, what is the best thing to do when the rear end starts to step out? Do you turn INTO the spin and get on the throttle? Instructors have always told me both feet in, so the spin is predictable. It seems like the guys at TopGear can easily get the car into a controllable slide or drift whenever they please.

http://youtu.be/hCC7LrHu7cw

I know that this is not the quickest way around the track, but I'd like to know how to save it when I start to spin.
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Eddy, at first I thought this was a "bloopers" video! Lol.
That must have been quite the ride for your passenger at the beginning of the video. You really started to pick things up once the spins were under control.

For you and everyone else contributing to this thread, what is the best thing to do when the rear end starts to step out? Do you turn INTO the spin and get on the throttle? Instructors have always told me both feet in, so the spin is predictable. It seems like the guys at TopGear can easily get the car into a controllable slide or drift whenever they please.

http://youtu.be/hCC7LrHu7cw

I know that this is not the quickest way around the track, but I'd like to know how to save it when I start to spin.
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Lotus is much easier to feel when the spin coming compared to other cars. Just throttle and u will be able to control the slide.


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Ah.. it's been a while, but here it is anyway
My first track day.
Session 3 of 6.
Hilarity ensues...

All in all, I had a blast.
It was awesome to be finally out on the track. Completely a different experience compared to just putting the car around the streets or tossing it around the autocross courses.

Since it was my first time out on the track, I mostly focused on braking and turn in points and left the car mostly in 4th as to not mess up my braking points and keep looking where I'm supposed to look.

I did pick up the pace by the end and gained confidence throughout the sessions.
I'd say 15 or so autocrosses helped somewhat, as I now have some idea of what and how things will go wrong, when it goes wrong; and know whether to attempt to fix it or give up completely and go both feet in(not that it happened).

The car performed flawlessly in 108 degree heat, but I guess I wasn't pushing the car that hard anyways compared to some of you here
It's a stock S240 with track pack + LSD, corner balanced, with -.7 front camber with 0.04 degree toe out, -2.3 rear camber with 0.17degree toe in, ARB in the center hole.

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Adding my track day in the Evora @ Hallett Motor Race Circuit near Tulsa Oklahoma. This day was such a blast. Every session improving times from just under 1:40 down to 1:33 (and a 1:31 was done by my friend - an instructor).

Elise pulling into the paddock:

Evora - chase cam of an Elise till passed:

Best driving of the day - including some drifting around "the bitch" (turn 9) for fun:

Line assesment videos - rear view:

Evora custom exhaust note - also a rear view (my favorite audio of the day):

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Thanks for sharing. I like the view from the back of the car. It gives you a good perspective of speed and acceleration.

For everyone else, how many of you trail brake? I used to do it often in the Miata, but I'm not confident enough to try in the Elise. My instructors have told me I'm better off going in slow and out fast. I've seen brgelise (who is very quick around the track) trail brake many times into turn 3 at NHMS. The car seems to pivot on its center axis, instead of a slow slide from the rear end.
What are your thoughts on trail braking in the Elise/Exige?


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The rear view is also one of my favorites. Especially when you pass.

edit: or get passed like the GTR did. That thing is fast around the track - too bad it is so ugly.
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The rear view is also one of my favorites. Especially when you pass.

edit: or get passed like the GTR did. That thing is fast around the track - too bad it is so ugly.
Lol. Poor Doc Jay, the punishment continues


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Thanks for sharing. I like the view from the back of the car. It gives you a good perspective of speed and acceleration.

For everyone else, how many of you trail brake? I used to do it often in the Miata, but I'm not confident enough to try in the Elise. My instructors have told me I'm better off going in slow and out fast. I've seen brgelise (who is very quick around the track) trail brake many times into turn 3 at NHMS. The car seems to pivot on its center axis, instead of a slow slide from the rear end.
What are your thoughts on trail braking in the Elise/Exige?


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Trailbraking is very useful for certain types of corners... especially those where you need to bleed off a lot of speed and/or need a large change of direction.

The first thing it does for you is allow you to brake later, since you're still braking as you enter the turn. If you only brake in a straight line, you'll have to brake earlier.

The second thing it does is it keeps load transferred over the front wheels during the corner entry. This can help reduce understeer, or increase oversteer, depending on your car's static handling.

The third thing it does is give you an opportunity to control how rapidly the load transfer changes in the corner. If you release the brake quickly, you'll bias the car towards oversteer rotation by allowing the front tires to provide more lateral grip. If you release slowly, the transition will be smoother through mid corner. Sometimes you want the rotation, sometimes you don't.

And lastly, it allows you to keep the total cornering/braking load on the edge of the "G circle"... providing you with the greatest use of the tire's potential during corner entry.

Caveats: improper trailbraking can easily result in a spin... and there are some corners where it will not be the fastest way through.
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Thanks Andy. So, I'm assuming you use trail braking in the Lotus. Turn 3 at NHMS, where I've seen brgelise use trail braking is a 180 degree turn that has you accelerating up a hill after the turn.
I guess my question is, how different is trail braking in the Lotus compared to say a Miata or other front engine rear drive platform? Is it very linear and predictable, especially in a tighter, lower speed turn?

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Thanks Andy. So, I'm assuming you use trail braking in the Lotus. Turn 3 at NHMS, where I've seen brgelise use trail braking is a 180 degree turn that has you accelerating up a hill after the turn.
I guess my question is, how different is trail braking in the Lotus compared to say a Miata or other front engine rear drive platform? Is it very linear and predictable, especially in a tighter, lower speed turn?

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Where and whether to trail brake is not just track dependent, but car dependent and setup dependent too.

Given the stock limitation on front camber, and rear downforce on a 2-Eleven, it tends to understeer on low speed corners and oversteer on high speed corners... all these things can be fixed if you're not tied to spec rules. As a result of those limitations, I tend to trail brake heavily into slow speed corners and very little or not at all in high speed corners.

Specifically, the 2-Eleven is even more rear weight biased than the Elise/Exige... so it tends to be a little easier to start a rotation, and more difficult to "catch" than a front-engine/rear-drive car.

Supposedly this is a Mario Andretti quote: "It's amazing how many drivers think the brakes are for slowing the car down"
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My first track day with the Radical SR3RS...


14 seconds a lap faster than my 2-Eleven, and I'm not even at the limit in the fast sweepers yet...
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