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@&$#% punk backed into my 05 Elise tonight!!!

I was stopped at a traffic light around 9:30 tonight when some kid in a Toyota Corolla in front of me decides to put his car in reverse and back up. I leaned on the horn but he keep going and hit me. He claims he didn’t see me. Has anyone recovered from this much damage and what can I expect? Many thanks, all.
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I can be fixed, might get pricey if the crash structure is damaged.

I would personally try to make it so they don't total it

Waht is it with people backing up in the street..........
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I was stopped at a traffic light around 9:30 tonight when some kid in a Toyota Corolla in front of me decides to put his car in reverse and back up. I leaned on the horn but he keep going and hit me. He claims he didn’t see me. Has anyone recovered from this much damage and what can I expect? Many thanks, all.
Ouch. On the plus side, while the clam is off, you can install a better horn.
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Ouch. On the plus side, while the clam is off, you can install a better horn.
Whatever do you mean???


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Note to new Elise & Exige Owners:


1. These cars have large (i.e. dangerous) blind spots. Multivex mirrors are NLA, but RLS (Really Light Stuff) offers very good tape-on replacements.


2. The horns are way too weak (quiet). There’s an inverse relationship: smaller the car, louder the horn needs to be.

Get something such as a Stebel Nautilus.

Stock: “Excuse me”


Stebel: “HONK! LOOK OUT!”

Remove the stock horn; replace with louder.

(I drive with my finger on the horn button in any traffic. Iffy situations, my headlights are on.

Stay to the left of traffic, i.e. avoid passing on the right if you can.

Stop way behind trucks, SUVs, etc. Some have blindspots >50’. )


3. The early cars came with misaimed and dim headlights. If you drive at night, convert to HIDs. While better than stock halogen bulbs are available, HIDs throw more light. Stay around 5000k. As of this writing LEDs are not as good.


4. Ensure your car has had the work required by the recall for oil line fittings done. You could lose an engine and/or spin in your own oil.

5. Transmission:

The best transmission lube I’ve found is Redline MT-90 plus a little Power Punch Extreme Gear Oil Additive. (Note that it takes two changes to get rid of the previous lube.)

a) Early cars have wobbly shift towers. Look up Stan’s Mod (bolt and spacer; http://www.billswebspace.com/ShifterReinforcement.pdf) and

And, use:
Re-Enforcer long thru bolts that terminate under car and tie down the tower:
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These (lube, mods) make a huge change in shifting.


6. As per some engine builders on these sites, wait AT LEAST 20 minutes after coolant has reached full operating temp before engaging cam switchover.

For street cars, consider removing one or both oil coolers. Some cover them. Oil doesn’t get hot enough on street, leading to cam wiping.


7. Rear toe-links can loosen and break with disastrous results. You can check tq periodically, or use Nordlock washers. Best is conversion to better engineered brace, such as BOE’s InoKinetic’s for two examples.
8. While under the car with panel off, look around for hoses and wires chafing their way to failure. That’s how this was found:
https://www.lotustalk.com/forums/f31...-u-tube-47232/

9. The stock radiators are prone to leaking where the end caps meet the metal part. Keep an eye on this. Most of us use single-pass all-aluminum radiators.

10. When your wheel well liner comes loose, skip the lame plastic rivet and use Well-Nuts instead.

11. Life will be better if you disable the auto-arming alarm function on the earlier cars. You won’t have to press a button to start the car. Instructions:

https://www.lotustalk.com/forums/f32...ramming-70940/


12. These cars cannot be left off a Battery Tender for weeks at a time. Unless dead batteries are a particular joy of yours. Buy one right away. There are numerous threads here about which ppl use and like.

You NEED a digital multimeter (voltmeter) to work on modern cars. Handy around house too. Get one this week.

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14. Visit the Uber Thread

https://www.lotustalk.com/forums/f3/...ow-here-25131/

15. Most parts on the car are made by Toyota and others, so buying things like a/c compressors, engine parts, etc. is wildly expensive when purchased thru Lotus.
Toyota dealers, auto parts stores are way less expensive.

16. The soft high-grip tires on most of our cars lose much of that grip when temperatures drop below 50 F. I know of too many ppl who spun their cars when not remembering this. I use hi-performance all-seasons.

Note that many summer tires cannot even be stored in temps below 20 F.

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Clam can be repaired by a proper fiberglass expert.

Will send you referral to the best shop around.

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Ouch. On the plus side, while the clam is off, you can install a better horn.
and fix/improve the HVAC... I have no idea what the solution is for this level of idiocy, but it's obviously a problem. Just in the last year several elige owners have reported morons backing into their cars despite honking horns and flashing lights. Good luck with the insurance. And for the record, "I didn't see him" is an admission that he was not aware of his surroundings.
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I wouldn't anticipate any issues with the other driver being at fault. May as well consider the radiator if it is stock. I'm planning to put in a pro alloy from BOE this winter.

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I would add to the list of "DOs".

Avoid placing your Elise/Exige in a position where it can't be seen by the other driver(s). At stop lights ALWAYS make sure you can be seen by the other driver in their mirror(s). For example, don't pull up so close behind a pick-up truck that you can't see the driver's eyes in at least 2 of their mirrors. This may mean stopping further behind than usual and off to one side.

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P.S. This is a clam replacement. Hopefully no damage to the crash structure (which would mean a write-off).
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and fix/improve the HVAC... I have no idea what the solution is for this level of idiocy, but it's obviously a problem. Just in the last year several elige owners have reported morons backing into their cars despite honking horns and flashing lights. Good luck with the insurance. And for the record, "I didn't see him" is an admission that he was not aware of his surroundings.
Weirdly, I don't remember seeing anyone back up in traffic in my NJ/NY/PA area.

But, no one doesn't hear my horn.

(Khamai has great info in his post.)

Flashing lights: no value if person doesn't look or see you.

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In Toronto, I often see people back up at intersections. They pull into the intersection or across a crosswalk and then the light turns red and they back up.
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As my "Notes" say, I drive with my finger on the horn buttons.

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So sorry to see this happen to you, I know the feeling


In 2009, my Lotus was hit by an airport shuttle driver, taking out my clam and crash structure. No fault of mine.

There was no chassis damage only the carbon fiber crash structure and fiberglass clam and radiator.

That said I took it to an authorized dealer repair facility, it took 6 weeks to repair (mostly due to the availability of a replacement clam and the crash structure from the factory) The total bill was $28K.

Since it's the other drivers fault (and I assume they have insurance) you'll likely get push back on their insurance, however they shouldn't total - and at least in the state of California, they are responsible for putting the car back into usable form or finding you a replacement. You or your repair facility will find this the biggest stumbling block these days as the factory doesn't build these in any regularity for the last 5 years or so. There are several sources for rebuilt/refurbished clams, not too sure on the crash structure... Text me if you need links for sources.

They may ask you not to use authorized repair facility, however I would recommend holding tough on this. If for some reason they balk at the repair cost through authorized repair, then make sure they suggest and guarantee the work for alternative.

I've only had one insurance company (in roughly 5 incidents) not work with me to get it repaired at the facility of my choice.

I wish you luck. You should consider putting an Aluminum radiator if you haven't already - to replace the lousy original equipment that tends to rust and crack.

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A young lady in a Camry somehow accidentally shifted her automatic into reverse and floored the throttle and hit the front of my car. There was a guy standing on the corner waving a sign that apparently got her excited. Thankfully I wasn't driving the Lotus. As is typical, she bolted when the light turned green and I followed her to work some non-threatening distance behind. When I got out of my car, she claimed that she was late for work and that's why she didn't stop. Then she explained that she was a massage therapist and offered me a free massage.
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A young lady in a Camry somehow accidentally shifted her automatic into reverse and floored the throttle and hit the front of my car. There was a guy standing on the corner waving a sign that apparently got her excited. Thankfully I wasn't driving the Lotus. As is typical, she bolted when the light turned green and I followed her to work some non-threatening distance behind. When I got out of my car, she claimed that she was late for work and that's why she didn't stop. Then she explained that she was a massage therapist and offered me a free massage.
so,... does this story have a happy ending?
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so,... does this story have a happy ending?
Yes, the story ended well. I didn't notice the cracked headlight until a month later, I felt it was a small price to pay for the overall experience; all things considered.
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