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post #1 of 22 (permalink) Old 12-28-2009, 07:10 PM Thread Starter
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Speculation on Elise s3 engine

Anyone know the current line up of Toyota engines well enough to speculate on what Lotus will use instead of the 2zz when they next revamp the elise/exige?

Supercharger I4 engine from the Scion Tc?
Are any of the V6 engines light enough?

Obviously no one really knows. I was just thinking about this while reading about the honda K20 swaps. Since we can't get that engine, what else does Toyota have available.

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The heck with a Toyota lump.

I say go all Lotus and bring back the 907.

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"The Torqueless Wonder" sounds like the perfect engine to match up to the 2zz transmission. Do you know who sells an adapter plate?

Upgraded to the 910 and with a turbo they got 280hp out of it in the Espirit SE. that would be enough for the next elise. Wow, it would be totally awesome enough if they brought this engine back.

I'm pretty confident they're just going to buy another toyota lump that's already fed certified.

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I'm pretty confident they're just going to buy another toyota lump that's already fed certified.

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well maybe Honda can give Lotus a variant of its K-series now that the S2000 is out of production and isn't in competition w/ the Elise/Exige anymore...
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well maybe Honda can give Lotus a variant of its K-series now that the S2000 is out of production and isn't in competition w/ the Elise/Exige anymore...
Honda K series was in the RSX and TSX

The S2000 has a Honda F20C engine
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yeah. there have been many "what would be the most awesome engine in the elise' threads.

I want to narrow this down to which of Toyota's current engines is most likely. I don't know anything about their line-up.

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There's *nothing* in the current toyota lineup to replace the 2zz. Hell, this is why they have joined with Subaru for their new sporty drift coupe FT86 as it uses the 2 litre boxer engine.

Any engine used in the production elise/exiges will be unmodified (apart from some custom ECU mapping) in order to preserve the supplier warranty to Lotus.

The honda s2000 engine is a terirble choice... never mind the fact it's an longitudual mounted engine and is far to long to fit in and theres no gearbox to allow a transverse mounting. The engine from the Integra Type R is lighter and more reliable and fits perfectly. However snowballs chance in hell Honda will give it to lotus for anything less than crazy money.

Most likely replacement will be a ford/GM unit with possibly a light pressure turbo.
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well maybe Honda can give Lotus a variant of its K-series now that the S2000 is out of production and isn't in competition w/ the Elise/Exige anymore...
I have no idea how you'd mount an S2000 engine in an Elise/Exige. The gearbox solution would have to come from another planet.

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haha i wonder if the subbie ej20 would fit
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I have no idea how you'd mount an S2000 engine in an Elise/Exige. The gearbox solution would have to come from another planet.
You didn't get what he was saying. Honda wouldn't provide the K-series motor for the Elise since once installed the Elise would be in the same class as the S2000 sales wise. He didn't mean the Elise would get the S2000 motor.

Also they already make a adaptor plate for the F20 to the K-series tranny to install in a Civic type chassis.

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Honda K series was in the RSX and TSX

The S2000 has a Honda F20C engine
A K series replacement would save me lots of time!
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I like that the Elise uses a Toyota engine. While I'd never buya Toyota as my own car, I have to admit that their stuff is reliable. The Elise needs a smooth running motor that revs up to about 8000-9000 rpm, gets decent HP while getting decent fuel economy. I wouldn't mind an engine that gets maybe 225hp normally aspirated. The Elise is so light that it dioesn't need a ton of power to go quickly. Definitely would not want a Ford or GM engine unless it was some sort of nice Cosworth motor from the UK. Even then, parts would be very expensive compared to the Toyota stuff.

It will be interesting to see what transpires. I think alot is riding on the Evora and how well it does. Lots of Evora sales will give Lotus the money to build a new Elise (in thoery at least) I'd also like to see an entry level Elise with great handling but maybe not quite as fast, kind of a sports car for beginners, in the $35,000 range. 0-60 in say 5.5 seconds with a top speed of maybe 135mph. Then a middle of the range Elise that could get to 60 in 4.5 seconds and hit 160mph. Finally, the real car, 0-60 in 3.5 seconds and a top speed of 185... That would be a great range for folks with a variety of interests.

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I like that the Elise uses a Toyota engine. While I'd never buya Toyota as my own car, I have to admit that their stuff is reliable. The Elise needs a smooth running motor that revs up to about 8000-9000 rpm, gets decent HP while getting decent fuel economy. I wouldn't mind an engine that gets maybe 225hp normally aspirated. The Elise is so light that it dioesn't need a ton of power to go quickly. Definitely would not want a Ford or GM engine unless it was some sort of nice Cosworth motor from the UK. Even then, parts would be very expensive compared to the Toyota stuff.

It will be interesting to see what transpires. I think alot is riding on the Evora and how well it does. Lots of Evora sales will give Lotus the money to build a new Elise (in thoery at least) I'd also like to see an entry level Elise with great handling but maybe not quite as fast, kind of a sports car for beginners, in the $35,000 range. 0-60 in say 5.5 seconds with a top speed of maybe 135mph. Then a middle of the range Elise that could get to 60 in 4.5 seconds and hit 160mph. Finally, the real car, 0-60 in 3.5 seconds and a top speed of 185... That would be a great range for folks with a variety of interests.

Lotus is really a very interesting company, I learned alot about them when visiting over the summer. The factory tour is well worth the money, as was the driver school. It gives you a new appreciation for how innovative they are!
I doubt they will offer a factory Elise in the 3.5 0-60 range. That performance will probably be left for the Esprit replacement.
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You didn't get what he was saying. Honda wouldn't provide the K-series motor for the Elise since once installed the Elise would be in the same class as the S2000 sales wise. He didn't mean the Elise would get the S2000 motor.

Also they already make a adaptor plate for the F20 to the K-series tranny to install in a Civic type chassis.
that would be my pick if i was to convert my drive train.i love the f20c.bolting it to a good k series trans would be nice.i noticed the swap shop had some of the honda conversion plates.didnt see the f20 to k series.
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For one thing, the motor will be at least a 2.0L, there a lots of 2.4L I4s out now, but I doubt a motor that size will make it into the elise & exige. I do not know of any high revving 2 or 2.4L I4 motor from toyota since they cut off their d*ck and turned it into a vagina.

based on this insight, i retract my claim of 2.0L engine and say it will remain the 1.8L 2zz.

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With a new CEO, I guess anything is possible however, 2 distinct conversations I remember with Lotus was that there will never be a 6 cylinder engine in the Elise/Exige variants for sale to the public and that there is a Toyota 4 cylinder engine they are looking at for the new designed model although they would not give details on the engine.
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