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Interesting how they chose to present only video footage without any commentary, lap times, slalom times, maximum cornering g's, etc.

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This was part of an 8 page article in October's C & D, with lot's of statistics.
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This was part of an 8 page article in October's C & D, with lot's of statistics.
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Maybe I'll have to take a walk to the bookstore to check out the full article.

I wonder what was their criteria for selecting the cars for the competition. It could have been interesting to include the likes of a Caterham and Ariel Atom.

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Very cool, beer-based conversation ammo to the superiority of the platform. Top 3 are classified as mid engine. The RX8 is technically mid engine since the engine is behind the front axles.

Was also happy to see my GTI DD make the cut.

Criteria for selection was as stated, best handling car sold in US for < $100k. Would be good to see what tests were performed, how much was subjective etc. That new Boxster Syder adds a little more suspension & engine performance with I think 100ish less pounds ... wonder how the Elise SC would compare to a std Boxter S. Overall, seems like the ranking makes sense, although the STI and EVO guys ain't going to be happy.
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I am going to try to scan the article and post it.
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Fun read, but don't believe it's even remotely meant to be taken seriously. If the only criteria is less than $100k, leaving out the Mazda Miata, 370Z, Audi TTS??? Ok, so the Spyder was meant to represent its Cayman/Boxster brethren. Even the Evora, it's enough of a different car than the Elise to have been considered separately. And the GTI...sure it's a fun car for what it is, but including in a best handling competition with the others?

Fun 10 minute read, though.

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I think the GTI was in there so they had something FWD

Wonder why a elise not a exige? & like mentioned why no evora??

Happy to see the GT-R not get the best reviews.......

Seems like a few minor tweeks & the lotus would of taken 1st place....... just wish lotus would put a proper engine in the car so it has the TQ to compete with other cars
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Just got the mag and agree with all their assessments, and the final scoring as well. For those that prefer a bit more refinement and predictability, the Cayman is their choice. For those that prefer camp outs to a hotel, go with the Elise.

Interesting stat in there I haven’t seen before … they slice out the straightaway times and provide a total cornering time for the track.

The Cayman and Elise were spot on there. And very close in total lap times. Note the Cayman they tested wasn’t the regular S but the Spyder version that has suspension enhancements vs the regular S and also weighs a full 200 pounds less. The Elise was the supercharged version.

Their criteria for the cars they picked to compete were based on the class winners from their 10 best cars in US, so that’s why there were no STI’s and EVO’s. The Nissan GTR was picked from among those cars. I thought they were dead on with respect to the GTR’s … you come out saying “wow” but felt more like the car was the hero and not the driver.
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I read this and was completely shocked. My first guess would have had the Lotus at #1, M3 at 2, Z06 at 3, etc
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Too bad the front camber shims weren't pulled (most likely) on the Elise. Probably would not have understeered. The comments about that in the mag were surprising.
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Too bad the front camber shims weren't pulled (most likely) on the Elise. Probably would not have understeered. The comments about that in the mag were surprising.
Additionally the current Elise's, including the supercharged, are delivered with the narrower front tires.

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Additionally the current Elise's, including the supercharged, are delivered with the narrower front tires.
The car that C&D used appeared to have a sport pack w/ A048 tires:
https://www.lotustalk.com/forums/f307...p6-10-a-91594/

Do they no longer provide those 195 tires?
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first of all, why they have normal Elise SC? why not use the 260 Exige? afterall they have the ZO6 and Boxster Speedster. why not the normal boxster S? bias junk, unrealistic comparison. bring a 260, then we'll talk.

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Fun read, but don't believe it's even remotely meant to be taken seriously. If the only criteria is less than $100k, leaving out the Mazda Miata, 370Z, Audi TTS???
Do you really think any of those three would compete? By compete I mean have any chance of winning? I don't really think they would. C&D had to keep a manageable number of cars and I thought they made a pretty good selection. After all, they put the Elise in the mix even though it sells almost zero units.

I thought the article was pretty good and I did expect the normal hand-wringing here. I love my Elise but after reading the article I would not mind driving the Porsche. I would never pull a Skyvue and change teams, but I would love to see for myself how it drives.
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first of all, why they have normal Elise SC? why not use the 260 Exige? afterall they have the ZO6 and Boxster Speedster. why not the normal boxster S? bias junk, unrealistic comparison. bring a 260, then we'll talk.

A) because it was not a horsepower race. Boxter speedster handles better than the standard Boxter S and the Z06 has the better electromagnetic suspension than the standard corvette

B) Lotus probably didn't have any other press cars available to them



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I happen to have the opportunity to track a Z06 carbon edition, an Evora (no Elise available) and a Boxter Speedster back to back last week and their evaluation is pretty spot on.

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